Degrees of separation: It's 'well known I only have matric' - Mazzone denies having legal qualifications

TheChamp

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Politics must be a lucrative career, leaving your studies halfway and never coming back seems like such a waste, unless they were not into it to begin with.
 

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Politics must be a lucrative career, leaving your studies halfway and never coming back seems like such a waste, unless they were not into it to begin with.
Yeah. She cites affordability as the reason why she didn’t complete it. She’s obviously not struggling financially now. She’s comfortable where she is.
 

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Politics must be a lucrative career,

I'm not sure about his own story, maybe his parents did not want to support him after matric (which some families do). However, John Steenhuisen went to Northwood Boys in Durban which is one of those schools that are more expensive to attend than most of the Universities. It produced a number of Proteas cricketers such as Keshav Maharaj, Shaun Pollock so that's the type of school it is.
 

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Politics must be a lucrative career, leaving your studies halfway and never coming back seems like such a waste, unless they were not into it to begin with.
It indeed is although it is also a means by which one can make phenomenal amount of difference to people's life, for better or worse. AOC raised 5 million $ for Texas relief fund recently, Stacy abrams raised 35 million dollars for fair fight. We need such people here. I think we have them here but they need to be active in politics like these 2. I can only imagine Ms Madonsela but I hope we have others.
 

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Open letter to John Steenhuisen on qualifications – Brett Herron​


GOOD SG says allegations of qualification misrepresentation by DA’s Chief Whip are serious

Open letter to John Steenhuisen on qualifications

20 April 2021

Federal Leader

Democratic Alliance

Dear John

I write to you in your capacity as DA Leader and having noted your statement over the weekend dismissing questions raised about the legal qualifications of your Chief Whip Natasha Mazzone as a smear campaign.

GOOD is not involved in a smear campaign against any of your members. We have refrained from sharing unverified allegations that factional members of your party have shared with us about each other. We have, however, commented on matters that have been raised in the public space relating to the ethics and integrity of those who hold prominent office in government or in parliament.

Given these roles, these are not matters that can be addressed behind closed doors within the DA only. There is a duty for public clarification.

With regards to Chief Whip of the Official Opposition, Honourable Natasha Mazzone MP, I raised questions after being alerted that Ms Mazzone's profession on her Wikipedia page was edited on 15 April, just as the story about the DA's suspension of its Western Cape leader and MEC Bonginkosi Madikizela for lying about his qualifications was breaking. Ms Mazzone's profession was altered from "Advocate" to "None" and then to "Member of Parliament".

Ms Mazzone's husband has since confirmed editing the page, claiming he was correcting false information introduced by unknown editors.

While Wikipedia pages are easy to edit and manipulate, the reference to Ms Mazzone having legal qualifications of some or other kind is mirrored on other websites.

One of these websites identified by social media users is businesstech.co.za, which in 2018 evidently published a list of political leaders' qualifications in 2018 that described Ms Mazzone's qualifications as "legal".

If you visit the website today, a notice above the article notes that its content has been "updated to clarify the qualifications in DA leadership", and its content reflects Ms Mazzone's qualifications as "Matric (never completed law degree)". (https://businesstech.co.za/news/gov...party-leader-qualifications-anc-vs-da-vs-eff/)

In addition to information on the Internet, News24 has reported party insiders confirming last week that Ms Mazzone had used her apparent legal qualifications to secure a position on the DA's Federal Legal Commission.

These allegations of qualification misrepresentation are as serious as the ones that have ensnared MEC Madikizela. But while Madikizela has been placed on suspension, and publicly acknowledged his fraud, Ms Mazzone has responded by attempting to attack my character for raising the matter on the day her father died. For the record, I was unaware that her father had passed away, and on learning of her bereavement immediately communicated my condolences to her.

Instead of Ms Mazzone simply clarifying the issue, questions about whether she has overstated her qualifications persist.

For the sake of clarity, truth, ethics – and to clean up any misconception of a smear campaign – I therefore publicly address the following questions to you:

(1.) According to Ms Mazzone, and her fellow-MP husband, she did five years of legal articles. According to Ms Mazzone, she was appointed as a City Councillor at the age of 21, and prior to that she was a student at the University of Pretoria. In which years did Ms Mazzone do her five-year legal articles given that articles must be completed on a full-time basis?

(2.) As with Matric qualifications, articles are completed by passing examinations. Did Ms Mazzone complete her articles as claimed?

(3) A 2010 article on techcentral.co.za (https://techcentral.co.za/da-names-new-shadow-minister/16757/) quotes the DA website stating Ms Mazzone having a legal background and being in the process of completing an LLB. Is she still working towards this degree?

(4) On what basis were Ms Mazzone's qualifications described by the DA on businesstech.co.za as "legal qualifications"? Who supplied this information to the party, and then to the publication?

(5) On self.gutenberg.org (http://self.gutenberg.org/article/WHEBN0023497515/Natasha Michael it is reported that, "During her University career Natasha studied an LLB law degree and took Political Science and International Relations as extra subjects." There is no reference to not having completed the studies. Who supplied this information to self.gutenberg.com?

I look forward to your considered response.

Yours faithfully,

Brett Herron

Lol, BusinessTech is dragged into this.
 

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So now the party must scrape the entire internet, for all of their members, to see who said what? Is that what they want?

It is crazy. Herron opened this with a Wiki where he was under the illusion that she, or the DA, published it, and now because he was wrong he is evoking every source. I observed the Twitter debacle, and it was sad.

Point 1) and 2) is reasonable to ask, but the rest, no. Even the Gutenberg article which is a straight up Wiki source which in return is based on other contributions supported by third-party sources.


HELP IMPROVE THIS ARTICLE​

Compiled by World Heritage Encyclopedia™ licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0
Help to improve this article, make contributions at the Citational Source, sourced from Wikipedia

maybe Herron can help to improve the article than to bring it up in his poorly orchestrated spat.

Business Tech can give a response, Tech Central can give a response... To quote the Tech Central article,

Michael has a legal background and, according to the DA’s website, is in the process of completing an LLB. She finished her articles at a firm specialising in intellectual property and constitutional law.

and that is what she always said, and she didn't complete her LLB. The article dates back to 2010. I assume Business Tech researched ready available sources like Wiki in 2018.

Fishing, Herron wants to discover a technicality to state, "See. I told you so!".
 

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So now the party must scrape the entire internet, for all of their members, to see who said what? Is that what they want?
I think the DA can just forward the questions to Mazzone and ask for clarity.
 

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It is crazy. Herron opened this with a Wiki where he was under the illusion that she, or the DA, published it, and now because he was wrong he is evoking every source. I observed the Twitter debacle, and it was sad.

Point 1) and 2) is reasonable to ask, but the rest, no. Even the Gutenberg article which is a straight up Wiki source which in return is based on other contributions supported by third-party sources.




maybe Herron can help to improve the article than to bring it up in his poorly orchestrated spat.

Business Tech can give a response, Tech Central can give a response... To quote the Tech Central article,



and that is what she always said, and she didn't complete her LLB. The article dates back to 2010. I assume Business Tech researched ready available sources like Wiki in 2018.

Fishing, Herron wants to discover a technicality to state, "See. I told you so!".
Or maybe somebody can improve Herron's Wiki page and bring it up to the orchestrated spat.

No, dont.
 

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I think the DA can just forward the questions to Mazzone and ask for clarity.
But is it her or the DAs fault that articles were posted online by people not under her control? Can Carl Niehaus be called into a meeting at Luthuli house because he is a giant po3s?
 

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But is it her or the DAs fault that articles were posted online by people not under her control? Can Carl Niehaus be called into a meeting at Luthuli house because he is a giant po3s?
No, it isn't her fault, I wasn't talking about that, I am referring to Brett Herron's letter in particular about what Mazzone has said, I still find the articles thing slightly confusing.

Or they can just ignore the letter, it's entirely up to them.
 

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No, it isn't her fault, I wasn't talking about that, I am referring to Brett Herron's letter in particular about what Mazzone has said, I still find the articles thing slightly confusing.

Or they can just ignore the letter, it's entirely up to them.
Ah ok yes I agree with that.
 

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It would really be interesting to see how far she went because 4 years at UP and another 4 years at Inisa is a long time not to have anything meaningful towards the qualification, having already done her articles one would think she would be inspired enough to just finish it off.
 

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It would really be interesting to see how far she went because 4 years at UP and another 4 years at Inisa is a long time not to have anything meaningful towards the qualification, having already done her articles one would think she would be inspired enough to just finish it off.
Chowing SRC cash at UP?
 
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