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Pitbull

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Not necesarily to do with rank though, could simply be importance without superiority.... which is what many of those verses are actually about.

They still don't get it... I'll keep trying for a little longer, getting tedious now...
 

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What else would you call it when I'm having a discussion with you, try and belittle me with some stupid score
Jesus, that's precious, you accuse people of spreading "libtard propaganda" and you moan that I gave you a troll score...? If you resort to cheap insults you don't get to characterize what we are having as a civilized discussion
 

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Let me give a stupidly simple example that even children would understand:
The NP government exalted it's white population above all others globally.... yet they did not consider this population to be superior to other nations globally including non-whites like the Japanese.

By popular interpretation propagated here NP nationalism must mean that they considered SA whites to be superior to everyone else.... even though that never happened.
 

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Even by those definitions the same thing. However, you quoted Orwell, so I guess you think more of Nationalism as aggressive patriotism.

No need to make new words or definitions... there are already such terms, things like Jingoism comes to mind. But then again, it can't be used to confuse the viewers or supporters of a set group into believing it's bad :D

But like I said, libtard propaganda at it's best!
Since you brought up Orwell, that's a good start.
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/th.../essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

By ‘nationalism’ I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled ‘good’ or ‘bad’.[1] But secondly – and this is much more important – I mean the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognizing no other duty than that of advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.
 

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Think the pens that Skeletor used to sign the impeachment paper has no value now :)
 

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Let me give a stupidly simple example that even children would understand:
The NP government exalted it's white population above all others globally.... yet they did not consider this population to be superior to other nations globally including non-whites like the Japanese.

By popular interpretation propagated here NP nationalism must mean that they considered SA whites to be superior to everyone else.... even though that never happened.
No, they considered whites to be superior to everyone else. Nationalism can be tied to any grouping. like ethnicity.
 

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The founders of America also enslaved people.
Who caught them and sold them? Who else did slavery? What colour were slaves? Who ended slavery?

Or are you only qualifying this in terms of any country abbreviate U.S.A.? Did your ancestors also eat snails and grasshoppers?
 

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Jesus, that's precious, you accuse people of spreading "libtard propaganda" and you moan that I gave you a troll score...? If you resort to cheap insults you don't get to characterize what we are having as a civilized discussion

Just pointing out how you "run" from the discussion when cornered. You asked? I didn't have to explain it, but you asked.
 

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No, they considered whites to be superior to everyone else. Nationalism can be tied to any grouping. like ethnicity.
Only locally, superiority is superiority to everyone globally or it's not superiority.
 

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Orwell's definitions fail if you carefully think about it.

The problem is that you need power in order to defend yourself. Which makes Patriotism implicitly require the desire of power as well.

Do you think Israel would have existed as long as it has if it didn't have the means (which is what power is in this sense) to defend itself?
 

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Orwell's definitions fail if you carefully think about it.

The problem is that you need power in order to defend yourself. Which makes Patriotism implicitly require the desire of power as well.

Do you think Israel would have existed as long as it has if it didn't have the means (which is what power is in this sense) to defend itself?
Israel has no right to exist though, they are a race of leeches..... hmmmm who else famous said that I wonder....
 

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Orwell's definitions fail if you carefully think about it.

The problem is that you need power in order to defend yourself. Which makes Patriotism implicitly require the desire of power as well.

Do you think Israel would have existed as long as it has if it didn't have the means (which is what power is in this sense) to defend itself?

It's pretty simple, Nationalism is not bad, Jingoism is.

It's not that hard... they just need to use the correct terms.
 

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It's pretty simple, Nationalism is not bad, Jingoism is.

It's not that hard... they just need to use the correct terms.
Jingoism is religious nationalism where you are a fanatical supporter of everything your nation does because it does it.... which is half of current murica
 

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Jingoism is religious nationalism where you are a fanatical supporter of everything your nation does because it does it.... which is half of current murica

Agree to a degree. It's an extreme-nationalist view. Be it religion, creed, race or whatever as an example.
 
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