Democrats Have Impeached Trump in the House.

[Moosedrool]

You are so frickin lazy...

• elevated
• illustrious
• inflated
• lofty
• sublime
• dignified
• exaggerated
• honored
• imposing
• leading
• uplifting
• astral
• august
• eminent
• excessive
• first
• grand
• high
• high-minded
• high-ranking
• highest
• highest-ranking
• honorable
• ideal
• immodest
• intellectual
• magnificent
• noble
• number one
• outstanding
• overblown
• pompous
• prestigious
• pretentious
• proud
• self-important
• superb
• superior
• top-drawer
• top-ranking

And yes SUPERIOR is right in there

You're grasping these straws so badly with this definition thing that you're affirming the consequent with synonyms.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Hendrik Verwoerd says ‘hell, yeah’ for this post.

Considering the definition of nationalism:

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Are you saying that only whites are South African?

Sies man!

 

[rietrot]

Let me give a stupidly simple example that even children would understand:
The NP government exalted it's white population above all others globally.... yet they did not consider this population to be superior to other nations globally including non-whites like the Japanese.

By popular interpretation propagated here NP nationalism must mean that they considered SA whites to be superior to everyone else.... even though that never happened.

The Master race nonsense is were Nazism completely falls flat.

There is nothing wrong with being nationalists. This includes the whole nation(Its not even tribalism)
There's also nothing wrong tribalism, someone can be a proud Zulu that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with believing you nation or tribe is superior(better) than some other nation or tribe. Self hate is very damaging to a person mentally.

The Germans didn't start WW2 because they were Germans proud of their own country. Or believed themselves to be superior. If I believe I'm doing better than my neighbor I don't need to go and beat him up.
If I believe he is wronging me in some way then I need to confront him.

The Nazis were little crybabies complaining like the SJWs of today about how life was so unfair and how a minority group in their own country suppressed them, because that group was better with money and smarter than them. This isn't a superiority complex it is victimhood mentally.

People get dangerous when you keep on telling them they are being oppressed and you give them an enemy who is oppressing them who they can blame.

 

[cerebus]

You're grasping these straws so badly with this definition thing that you're affirming the consequent with synonyms.

I wasn't the one demanding a list of synonyms. Good grief. I assumed we were all conversant with the same basic language, but it seems to have been too much of an ask.

 

[Moosedrool]

This is what the Libtards do. Make good very valid views to be bad, propagate the shyte out of it till they start believing it to be so. Causing confusion and having people doubt their own views which was never wrong to begin with.

The word nationalism triggers them because white nationalists.

 

[C4Cat]

Hey I know, lets argue about word definitions, won't that be fun Damn nationalists, always twisting everything around

 

[rambo919]

Agree to a degree. It's an extreme-nationalist view. Be it religion, creed, race or whatever as an example.

Perhaps I should expand that my use of religious does not require an actual acknoledged religion just religious behavior.

Sometimes jingoism has pretentions to be in line with a major religion as was the case in Britain and NP SA sometimes not.

 

[Pitbull]

The Master race nonsense is were Nazism completely falls flat.

There is nothing wrong with being nationalists. This includes the whole nation(Its not even tribalism)
There's also nothing wrong tribalism, someone can be a proud Zulu that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with believing you nation or tribe is superior(better) than some other nation or tribe. Self hate is very damaging to a person mentally.

The Germans didn't start WW2 because they were Germans proud of their own country. Or believed themselves to be superior. If I believe I'm doing better than my neighbor I don't need to go and beat him up.
If I believe he is wronging me in some way then I need to confront him.

The Nazis were little crybabies complaining like the SJWs of today about how life was so unfair and how a minority group in their own country suppressed them, because that group was better with money and smarter than them. This isn't a superiority complex it is victimhood mentally.

People get dangerous when you keep on telling them they are being oppressed and you give them an enemy who is oppressing them who they can blame.

If only they would realize this before it's too late. But they don't

 

[rambo919]

Hey I know, lets argue about word definitions, won't that be fun Damn nationalists, always twisting everything around

Funny you should say that, the twisting of definitions is a modern phenomena started by socialists, then after the twists become accepted fact the conservatives that refuse to go along with it are accused of doing the twisting.

 

[konfab]

It's pretty simple, Nationalism is not bad, Jingoism is.

It's not that hard... they just need to use the correct terms.

I disagree.
Nationalism bad when you have huge amounts of state power attached to it. The end result is what you would call Jingoism.

Things like individual rights are there to prevent the state from attaching power to a specific group. Something like equality before the law is an example of such a right that gets rid of the bad aspects of nationalism. Freedom of speech is another. However when you have individual rights like freedom of association, it also encourages the more positive type.

To bring this back to affirmative action:

People who think they can diminish individual rights without opening the door to the bad types of nationalism(and I would add communism under this as well as "revolutionaries" effectively behave like an ethnic group), are deluded. If you discriminate against one group(or nation) of people to benefit another (for whatever reason) it add state power to one group and takes it away from another.
It is why you had the Messiah of Property rights (Rama****a) walk up in Parliament and tell everyone that EWC is necessary because our people are suffering.

“We must say it very clearly. Our history, our identity as South Africans is closely linked to the question of land and it is for that reason that we say that land must be returned to our people because that is what really shapes our identity,” said Ramaphosa to loud cheers.

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...e-as-it-really-shapes-our-identity-ramaphosa/
He is very clearly stating that white people are not real South Africans, and thus they can have their property taken away from them for any reason.

To bring this to Orwell. His concept of Patriotism and Nationalism is wrong for this reason, it is why Orania want to be in charge of their own little state. Because that would mean they would have the power to defend themselves against another nation that seeks to destroy them.

Individual rights issue provides the only peaceful solution to this conundrum. Cyril Ramaphosa and his ilk are free to build a black Azania nation, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of other people.

 

[buka001]

Who caught them and sold them? Who else did slavery? What colour were slaves? Who ended slavery?

Or are you only qualifying this in terms of any country abbreviate U.S.A.? Did your ancestors also eat snails and grasshoppers?

The whole western world was enslaving people. Arab slave traders, african slave traders made pot loads of cash.

What is your point?

 

[rambo919]

I disagree.
Nationalism bad when you have huge amounts of state power attached to it. The end result is what you would call Jingoism.

Jingoism has nothing to do with power though, it's an effect of pride.

 

[rambo919]

The whole western world was enslaving people. Arab slave traders, african slave traders made pot loads of cash.

What is your point?

FIFY

 

[Pitbull]

The word nationalism triggers them because white nationalists.

And I think you have hit the nail on the head!

 

[Tokolotshe]

Waste of time and resources. They should focus on cleaning up their act, get back in touch with the middle left/right and maybe build for an election after Trump's second term.

They are just destroying themselves and alienating people with this witch hunt. They come across as sore losers and trying their utmost to defeat the outcomes of the elections.

Very true this. A well balanced political landscape is advantageous to everybody, this is not. Trump himself is a product of Nancy. I've said it many times before, the US were stuffed with Mr Not Right vs Mrs Wrong. Had the dems fronted decent candidates and not what they did, we'd not have Trump today.

Now the dems have just doubled down. Sad. So Trump will probably win again.

 

[Ponderer]

Who caught them and sold them?...

The whole western world was enslaving people. Arab slave traders, african slave traders made pot loads of cash.

What is your point?

Who caught them and sold them?

 

[Tokolotshe]

7th or 8th attempt or something? The others didn't even get off the ground, every few months they call impeachment vote for a tweet or something he did, it won't end, they'll continue, business as usual

Are we there yet?

 

[Pitbull]

I disagree.
Nationalism bad when you have huge amounts of state power attached to it. The end result is what you would call Jingoism.

Things like individual rights are there to prevent the state from attaching power to a specific group. Something like equality before the law is an example of such a right that gets rid of the bad aspects of nationalism. Freedom of speech is another. However when you have individual rights like freedom of association, it also encourages the more positive type.

To bring this back to affirmative action:

People who think they can diminish individual rights without opening the door to the bad types of nationalism(and I would add communism under this as well as "revolutionaries" effectively behave like an ethnic group), are deluded. If you discriminate against one group(or nation) of people to benefit another (for whatever reason) it add state power to one group and takes it away from another.
It is why you had the Messiah of Property rights (Rama****a) walk up in Parliament and tell everyone that EWC is necessary because our people are suffering.


https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/...e-as-it-really-shapes-our-identity-ramaphosa/
He is very clearly stating that white people are not real South Africans, and thus they can have their property taken away from them for any reason.

To bring this to Orwell. His concept of Patriotism and Nationalism is wrong for this reason, it is why Orania want to be in charge of their own little state. Because that would mean they would have the power to defend themselves against another nation that seeks to destroy them.

Individual rights issue provides the only peaceful solution to this conundrum. Cyril Ramaphosa and his ilk are free to build a black Azania nation, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of other people.

This was very well put and I can see it as being a point of contention then. But to outright say Nationalist/Nationalism is wrong, is well. Wrong.

That is my view on it and should actually be the default view with exceptions. Not Nationalism is bad as default but with exceptions. If that makes sense.

 

[Pitbull]

Are we there yet?

Has Trump been Impeached yet?

 

[Moosedrool]

It must be a horrible 2020 for crazy neo progressives so far.

Brexit, trump acquitted, what's next?