Democrats Have Impeached Trump in the House.

[cerebus]

The word nationalism triggers them because nazis

ftfy

 

[buka001]

So let's forget everything else Hitler stood for, and use a single "nationalism" part as his motivation? Geesus, dishonest much?

How many books on Hitler have you read?

Have you read his own book?

Come back to me when you are all done.

You can be a fascist and a nationalist. Using a fascist agenda to drive Nationalism is what he did.

Hence why I said it can get bad, when you get extremists like Hitler who drive it.

 

[cerebus]

Has Trump been Impeached yet?

He has

 

[Pitbull]

He has

O right... Again, know what I mean, but alas...

Let me rephrase then for you: "Has Trump been removed from office following an impeachment through the Senate which upheld the impeachment from the house?"

Better? can you understand it more clearly now?

 

[buka001]

Just curious, for all the Trump fans.

Do you honestly think any single anti-Trump, libtard, smowflake, TDS, NPC, SJW, what ever other slur there is, are actually shocked by this?

Do you think anyone is crying "more liberal" tears?

I have not seen any single person here, or any of the "lefties" on twitter express any thing that suggested this was unexpected and are "triggered" by this.

 

[cerebus]

How many books on Hitler have you read?

Have you read his own book?

Come back to me when you are all done.

You can be a fascist and a nationalist. Using a fascist agenda to drive Nationalism is what he did.

Hence why I said it can get bad, when you get extremists like Hitler who drive it.

tbh even by definition it's hard to imagine a case where nationalism is something positive.

 

[konfab]

Very true this. A well balanced political landscape is advantageous to everybody, this is not. Trump himself is a product of Nancy. I've said it many times before, the US were stuffed with Mr Not Right vs Mrs Wrong. Had the dems fronted decent candidates and not what they did, we'd not have Trump today.

Now the dems have just doubled down. Sad. So Trump will probably win again.

It really isn't difficult.
If the Democrats got rid of the identity politics and massive state interventions in their policies, they would pretty much flatten the Republicans every single time. Basically, if they adopted all the policy positions of the DA in South Africa.

Yang is almost there, however reading his healthcare policy is like reading a document from the ANC. Price controls for drug prices?

 

[cerebus]

Just curious, for all the Trump fans.

Do you honestly think any single anti-Trump, libtard, smowflake, TDS, NPC, SJW, what ever other slur there is, are actually shocked by this?

Do you think anyone is crying "more liberal" tears?

I have not seen any single person here, or any of the "lefties" on twitter express any thing that suggested this was unexpected and are "triggered" by this.

Welcome to the circle jerk of lefty triggering

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1170339940145610753

 

[buka001]

tbh even by definition it's hard to imagine a case where nationalism is something positive.

Same here. Nationalism is also what led to WW1. But, I am open minded to listening to counter points of view.

I think a lot of times people take Nationalism to be Patriotism.

 

[konfab]

Just curious, for all the Trump fans.

Do you honestly think any single anti-Trump, libtard, smowflake, TDS, NPC, SJW, what ever other slur there is, are actually shocked by this?

Do you think anyone is crying "more liberal" tears?

I have not seen any single person here, or any of the "lefties" on twitter express any thing that suggested this was unexpected and are "triggered" by this.

Unless some maverick, JFK like person comes around in 2024, the US is going to decline into all out Civil War.

Trump gave the whole white nationalist base a voice, they felt emboldened by him, as finally after 8 years, they had their man in the Whitehouse. The main threat to the USA, as defined by the FBI are these white nationalist terror groups. The FBI keep finding them all over the place.

Trump lowered the bar of common decency and decorum.

He has made a mockery of the office, through this whole impeachment story. The very Republicans who are all about limited government are all to happy to let him off, saying things like at least he won't do it again. They know he withheld aid from Ukraine for a quid pro quo.

Trump gave any crazy guy with Hitler like tendencies, the perfect recipe for success.

The US isn't going to descend into all out civil war. You take the media out the question and people will get along fine. The state system in the US does a fairly good job of keeping every group happy so long as the federal government doesn't keep taking a dump on it.

I can very comfortably say the same about South Africa. There wouldn't be a civil war here either.

 

[buka001]

Who caught them and sold them?

Is jy blind?

Lees suen, lees.

 

[C4Cat]

Funny you should say that, the twisting of definitions is a modern phenomena started by socialists, then after the twists become accepted fact the conservatives that refuse to go along with it are accused of doing the twisting.

See what I mean? Always twisting everything and then gaslighting you.

 

[konfab]

Same here. Nationalism is also what led to WW1. But, I am open minded to listening to counter points of view.

I think a lot of times people take Nationalism to be Patriotism.

Orwell claimed that the only difference between the two was that Nationalism has a desire for power and Patriotism does not.

Does that fit what you are saying?

 

[buka001]

The US isn't going to descend into all out civil war. You take the media out the question and people will get along fine. The state system in the US does a fairly good job of keeping every group happy so long as the federal government doesn't keep taking a dump on it.

I can very comfortably say the same about South Africa. There wouldn't be a civil war here either.

That post, had nothing to do with impeachment, but everything to do with the state of the politics in the USA, where decorum has gone for a ball of sxxt.

All of a sudden its awesome to award Presidential Medals of Freedom at the SOTU to racist bigots.

All of a sudden it is awesome to have a leader of the American Nazi party run for congress.

All of a sudden you have these white nationalist terror cells popping up all over the show.

The US has become incredibly polarised. The middle is being decimated.

 

[C4Cat]

Orwell claimed that the only difference between the two was that Nationalism has a desire for power and Patriotism does not.

Does that fit what you are saying?

He says a great deal more than that. This must sound very familiar to Trumpsters and brexiteers and others here who enjoy drinking tears so much while trumpeting and gloating over how much 'winning' they are doing:

Nationalism, in the extended sense in which I am using the word, includes such movements and tendencies as Communism, political Catholicism, Zionism, Antisemitism, Trotskyism and Pacifism. It does not necessarily mean loyalty to a government or a country, still less to one’s own country, and it is not even strictly necessary that the units in which it deals should actually exist. To name a few obvious examples, Jewry, Islam, Christendom, the Proletariat and the White Race are all of them objects of passionate nationalistic feeling: but their existence can be seriously questioned, and there is no definition of any one of them that would be universally accepted.

It is also worth emphasizing once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative. There are, for example, Trotskyists who have become simply enemies of the U.S.S.R. without developing a corresponding loyalty to any other unit. When one grasps the implications of this, the nature of what I mean by nationalism becomes a good deal clearer. A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist – that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating – but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the up-grade and some hated rival is on the down-grade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also – since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself – unshakeably certain of being in the right.

 

[Pitbull]

Do you honestly think any single anti-Trump, libtard, smowflake, TDS, NPC, SJW, what ever other slur there is, are actually shocked by this?

No, but just like they normally do. Keep on making a hell of a noise, making threads and posting daily updates. Just feels good telling them... told you so . But in reality they know it was going to fail, they hoped for sure... but they knew.

 

[buka001]

Orwell claimed that the only difference between the two was that Nationalism has a desire for power and Patriotism does not.

Does that fit what you are saying?

I have not read much Orwell. Only Animal Farm to be honest.

So before you come back to me with a Aha gotcha on my view on that statement from Orewell, I will go read up on what he said, to understand the context more.

But in isolation, without context to anything he was referring to, yes.

Patriotism is, for me, love and pride for your country.

Nationalism, has the same sort of pride, but if that comes at the cost of other countries or persons, that pride is still maintained, then its Nationalism.

 

[buka001]

No, but just like they normally do. Keep on making a hell of a noise, making threads and posting daily updates. Just feels good telling them... told you so . But in reality they know it was going to fail, they hoped for sure... but they knew.

Well, how can you say "told you so" when they knew so, beforehand as well?

 

[konfab]

He says a great deal more than that. This must sound very familiar to Trumpsters and brexiteers and others here who enjoy drinking tears so much while trumpeting and gloating over how much 'winning' they are doing:

A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist – that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating – but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the up-grade and some hated rival is on the down-grad

That puts the entire identity politics movement solidly into the racial nationalist camp.

That isn't what Trump is though, especially on the race side where he has been very proud of the fact that black people are having less unemployment.

 

[Pitbull]

Well, how can you say "told you so" when they knew so, beforehand as well?

They hope was very clear. Here we have 149 pages as proof