Democrats Have Impeached Trump in the House.

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Tokolotshe

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Boet, I never said AA is a great system, or uncorrupted, or anything like that. I just said, going right back to the beginning of my conversation with konfab when he tried to claim that Trump wasn't racist because he's doing away with AA, that AA is not racist because it is based on reparations, not on some idea of racial inferiority.
... and what are those repatriations based on? I just pointed out reality to you.

Ah, is this is a bit like that sex vs gender argument? Just follow the clearly delineated logical steps to fit the narrative ...

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Still what is the point? Everyone had slaves. Everyone caught slaves, everyone traded slaves.

What is the point?
Thank you. All our ancestors ate grubs and all types of crap. It was the way to live thousands of years ago. Just like that it was an accepted in society to have slaves in our not too distant past. Slaves were all creeds and colours. Slave owners as well. So why make it out to be an American issue, which is what you did:

The founders of America also enslaved people.
I could be facetious and argue that it was not America who enslaved them, but the slaves countrymen after raiding their villages and taking the best women, selling the rest. The Americans just bought them. I could point out how Europeans were enslaved. I could point out how American slaves had it good compared to slaves in the Middle East where they were disposable. I could point out it was "evil colonialists" that ended slavery if you really want to get into all these types of arguments SJW arguments. But you get (or should) get my drift. That is also why I called you out on it.
 

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My problem?

Yes I do have a problem with extremists like Hitler?

Do you?

Your problem is also my problem. I have a problem with extremists, period. That includes left/right wing. Hitler is just another extremist. We could add certain socialists, communists, ... in this list and you'd agree. So it's not the nationalist part, it's the extremist part.

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... and what are those repatriations based on? I just pointed out reality to you.

The sins of the nation. It doesn't have to have anything to do with your personal history. Most of America didn't vote for Trump but they're all stuck with him.
 

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Thank you. All our ancestors ate grubs and all types of crap. It was the way to live thousands of years ago. Just like that it was an accepted in society to have slaves in our not too distant past. Slaves were all creeds and colours. Slave owners as well. So why make it out to be an American issue, which is what you did:


I could be facetious and argue that it was not America who enslaved them, but the slaves countrymen after raiding their villages and taking the best women, selling the rest. The Americans just bought them. I could point out how Europeans were enslaved. I could point out how American slaves had it good compared to slaves in the Middle East where they were disposable. I could point out it was "evil colonialists" that ended slavery if you really want to get into all these types of arguments SJW arguments. But you get (or should) get my drift. That is also why I called you out on it.

Jesus.

Jack brought up the founding fathers topic.

So I also pointed out the obvious fact that they were also slave owners. The point of that, was at that point in history they had the power to free the slaves and could have, but did not.

Jefferson who wrote the damned constitution was against slavery (although he owned them anyway). He called it a hideous blot on America. Washington called it repugnant. And so on. These guys had just freed themselves from England and were self aware enough of the evils of slavery, but chose not to end it, despite the beautiful expression about the ideas of equality and liberty in the Decleration of Independance.

Can you imagine, the guy who said this -

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And who thought slaves were a blot on America, did not stop it?

So to reiterate my point, those founding fathers had slaves, were explicitly aware of the evils of slavery, had all the power to end slavery, but ultimately did not, which then precipitated the American Civil War less than a 100 years later.

That is why I brought it up. Jack made an inference that the founding fathers virtues in 1776 would be viewed as terrorism in 2020, I just added a counterweight to his ahistorical point by engaging him to consider an act (or is it an ommission?) that would actually be viewed in 2020 with far more disdain and criticism, than his false comparison.

So as you have missed this critical historical nuance and gone off on a tangent building up a strawman which had been built up out of ignorance, assuming that I was on some random SJW mumbo jumbo, can you elucidate for me, what you are calling me out on?

Or is the new standard of the forum that when you mention one dimension of a matter, you are to append a doctoral thesis examining the entire, depth and breadth of the subject simultaneously?
 

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Your problem is also my problem. I have a problem with extremists, period. That includes left/right wing. Hitler is just another extremist. We could add certain socialists, communists, ... in this list and you'd agree. So it's not the nationalist part, it's the extremist part.

Te veel van enigiets is nie 'n goeie ding nie.
Nationalism was used by Hitler to motivate his genocide, to motivate his war.

Nationalists who started WW1 were not extremists. They bungled themselves into war out of Nationalistic pride, trying to out manoeuvre the next country, all hamstrung together by stupid political ties.
 

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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Trump just called the Democrats liars.

Follows up with it's all bullshit - on global television.
 
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For calling others liars, do I have to explain the irony ?


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Profanity on global television - his religious base thinks that's hunky dory and statesman like ?

Weak sauce.
 
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So as you have missed this critical historical nuance and gone off on a tangent building up a strawman which had been built up out of ignorance, assuming that I was on some random SJW mumbo jumbo, can you elucidate for me, what you are calling me out on?

Or is the new standard of the forum that when you mention one dimension of a matter, you are to append a doctoral thesis examining the entire, depth and breadth of the subject simultaneously?
No, you missed the point. It's no strawman. At the time it was an accepted. You can't judge history by events a hundred years later.

But it has become fashionable to throw as much crap into a subject as possible to win an argument at all costs, not taking historical context into consideration. Do I call you a grub eater to win an argument just because your ancestors probably ate them or some other funny stuff three thousand years back? Yes, I stretched the time frames to illustrate the point. 3000 yrs or a 100 yrs. Society evolves.

And no, I will not call you a grub eater because mine were probably foraging for them with yours. In fact all of the members on this forum. But I guess historical honesty is the first casualty for own goals. Typically SJW do that. So you decide.

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