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cerebus

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Nonsense, their current federal government has way too much power and there are way too much useless laws. States have long since surrendered most of their sovereignty. More of the same would mean more federal power not more state power.
Look at the links posted by Greg. Different state gun laws lead to vastly different murder rates.
 

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Nonsense, their current federal government has way too much power and there are way too much useless laws. States have long since surrendered most of their sovereignty. More of the same would mean more federal power not more state power.
Literally *not* what more of the same means.
 

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You slipped up son.

"States with strict gun laws see more homicides when they border states with lax ones"

OBVIOUSLY

The states with strict laws have less guns in the hands of victims of homicide, the guns used to kill them come from other states by......CRIMINALS.

Making the already illigal more illigal does nothing other than creating more victims.

And then I have to point out the obvious spin from left leaning publications and the fact that "studies say" is proof of nothing.
 

cerebus

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You slipped up son.

"States with strict gun laws see more homicides when they border states with lax ones"

OBVIOUSLY

The states with strict laws have less guns in the hands of victims of homicide, the guns used to kill them come from other states by......CRIMINALS.

Making the already illigal more illigal does nothing other than creating more victims.

And then I have to point out the obvious spin from left leaning publications and the fact that "studies say" is proof of nothing.

Hoookay so your idea of "achieving different results" is "making US gun laws even more lax and decentralised than they already are". Got it, let's move on from this stupidity.
 

rambo919

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Look at the links posted by Greg. Different state gun laws lead to vastly different murder rates.
Yes obviously, just not always for the reasons people think. Also there are federal laws interfering with state laws which completely muddy the statistics.
 

rambo919

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Hoookay so your idea of "achieving different results" is "making US gun laws even more lax than they already are". Got it, let's move on from this stupidity.
And where did I say they should be more lax and only more lax? Not only should the federal laws decrease but they must change and state laws must increase and change. Simply piling on or piling off wont have any positive effect.
 

cerebus

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And where did I say they should be more lax and only more lax? Not only should the federal laws decrease but they must change and state laws must increase and change. Simply piling on or piling off wont have any positive effect.
Yeah! Let's plunge each state in its own nightmarish quagmire of gun laws. Change ftw!
 

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You slipped up son.

"States with strict gun laws see more homicides when they border states with lax ones"

OBVIOUSLY

The states with strict laws have less guns in the hands of victims of homicide, the guns used to kill them come from other states by......CRIMINALS.

Making the already illigal more illigal does nothing other than creating more victims.

And then I have to point out the obvious spin from left leaning publications and the fact that "studies say" is proof of nothing.
"the guns used to kill them come from other states by......CRIMINALS." Exactly why Federal law is required. Exactly. Thanks rambo.

Depends on usage, it can mean either nothing changes or the same changes keep repeating cumulatively.
"More of the same would mean more federal power not more state power." - rambo, January 14, 2020

Indeed, a theoretical imposition of Federal law at a hypothetical future date is precisely... "the same"... as 50 States have right now.

Eish!
 

rambo919

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"the guns used to kill them come from other states by......CRIMINALS." Exactly why Federal law is required. Exactly. Thanks rambo.
I never meant federal law has no place, I said it's implemented incorrectly.

"More of the same would mean more federal power not more state power." - rambo, January 14, 2020

Indeed, a theoretical imposition of Federal law at a hypothetical future date is precisely... "the same"... as 50 States have right now.

Eish!
Wrong, over the last few decades federal power has been steadily increasing and state power decreasing, in a few decades the current status quo will be long gone.
 

cerebus

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I never meant federal law has no place, I said it's implemented incorrectly.


Wrong, over the last few decades federal power has been steadily increasing and state power decreasing, in a few decades the current status quo will be long gone.
This is so stupid, you're just making **** up.
 

rambo919

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WTF do you mean by that?
Exactly what I said, some people clearly think more laws means less crime, however homicides in high law areas increase when bordered by low law areas because criminals take advantage of the difference and go for the softer targets.

SA on the other hand has a ludacrous ammount of laws that everyone simply ignores nvm the criminals.... more laws after a while actually start increasing crime especially if they are stupid laws or are written in a way that actually synthetically creates criminals.
 

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This is so stupid, you're just making **** up.
Nope, I just made a point of learning things I did not know about, even in the 70's this trend was causing problems compared to the 50's.

It's odd the things economics can teach you about politics.

Then again you have the problem that mass shootings are a modern phenomena, they only started happening after gun control laws started getting so bad.

Before when there was barely any gun control almost no one ever shot anyone nvm a lot at once.
 

cerebus

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Nope, I just made a point of learning things I did not know about, even in the 70's this trend was causing problems compared to the 50's.

It's odd the things economics can teach you about politics.

Then again you have the problem that mass shootings are a modern phenomena, they only started happening after gun control laws started getting so bad.

Before when there was barely any gun control almost no one ever shot anyone nvm a lot at once.


You got links or anything to back up this nonsense?
 

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Look at the links posted by Greg. Different state gun laws lead to vastly different murder rates.
Yes obviously, just not always for the reasons people think. Also there are federal laws interfering with state laws which completely muddy the statistics.
Exactly what I said, some people clearly think more laws means less crime, however homicides in high law areas increase when bordered by low law areas because criminals take advantage of the difference and go for the softer targets.

SA on the other hand has a ludacrous ammount of laws that everyone simply ignores nvm the criminals.... more laws after a while actually start increasing crime especially if they are stupid laws or are written in a way that actually synthetically creates criminals.
Its damn obvious the regulations/laws need to be addressed/revised when its discovered that mentally challenged people have no problem purchasing firearms. I suspect you're not really that dumb not to grasp what was being said and instead you're just trolling.
 

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Hahahaha the top point (speaking for myself) of me defending him so far was "meh he's just better than the others" and suddenly I'm apparently his fan according to some. Not my fault so much of the mud flung at him is nothing important.

Sure he's entertaining but.... that's it.
Snowflakes still don't get it.
Nobody defends Trump, we are just calling out the do nothing Dem (Socialist/Communist/SJW hippies) for their retarded comments and 24/7 double standards.
 

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You got links or anything to back up this nonsense?
You really think I remember which of the hundreds of hours of documentary/debate/seminar video I watched does this? Do your own homework or choose not to believe me, your choice.
 

cerebus

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You really think I remember which of the hundreds of hours of documentary/debate/seminar video I watched does this? Do your own homework or choose not to believe me, your choice.
Oh I choose not to believe you obviously, unless you can back up what you're saying. There's plenty of widely-available data out there on gun ownership and gun laws. Greg had the courtesy to post some of it.
 

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Its damn obvious the regulations/laws need to be addressed/revised when its discovered that mentally challenged people have no problem purchasing firearms. I suspect you're not really that dumb not to grasp what was being said and instead you're just trolling.
Nope, the calls are always for more gun laws not better one's. Just more more more more as if anything different will happen by building on bad foundations.
 
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