Democrats Have Impeached Trump in the House.

[rietrot]

Yet again, Trump supporters seem unable to make any kind of sense.

Are you honestly saying to me that a republican plot to extort the president of Ukraine to smear Trumps political opponents isn't important because you are an intellectual giant who cannot spell "Giuliani"?????

I mean is this honestly the level of discourse at this point?

Almost. You can't accuse the average Trump supporter of not being and intellectual giant and expect them to give a shît about the finer legalities regarding the Impeachment at the same time, especially if that finer legalities is nothing but BS leftard talking points to start of with.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Almost. You can't accuse the average Trump supporter of not being and intellectual giant and expect them to give a shît about the finer legalities regarding the Impeachment at the same time, especially if that finer legalities is nothing but BS leftard talking points to start of with.

It will be interesting to see if your klan sticks to this story as the ship goes down and the rats start heading to prison.

Maybe you'll pull a Trump and it'll just be like: "Trump? Never heard of him, low level coffee boy." While you all line up to lick the boots of President Pence. God help us all.

 

[konfab]

I do. Can they be improved? Sure. Only Buddha is perfect...

Well both of them have the same sort of electoral system as the US. The basis of which isn't protecting slave owners or anything like that.

The basis of it is that proportional representation systems and popular votes undermine federal systems, that is the member states of said federal systems. If the UN was a popular vote and proportional representation, India, China and the US would be able to dictate all the UN policy. In the EU's case it would be Germany, France and the UK (for now at least lol) . The problem becomes really apparent when said federation is spread over a very large geographical area.

Now if you really wanted the best mixture IMO, it would be to have a popular vote that elects a body in charge on a very limited scope of things, like basic natural rights, foreign policy and cooperation between member states. Everything else should really be done on a state level. This was what the intention of the US was, which is why they attacked the southern states on the issue of slavery.

 

[cerebus]

If Ramaposa was delivering on his promises, keeping SA first, the economy was booming and i received bonuses again, and my tax was lowered - then I would not care how he did it or what he was up to.

That is an unbelievable answer. You don't care about political corruption as long as you personally were being benefited right now?

 

[rietrot]

It will be interesting to see if your klan sticks to this story as the ship goes down and the rats start heading to prison.

Maybe you'll pull a Trump and it'll just be like: "Trump? Never heard of him, low level coffee boy." While you all line up to lick the boots of President Pence. God help us all.

I'm all for draining the swamp and sending the swamprats to prison. No politically connected person should ever be above the law.

 

[buka001]

I know what this is.

This is "Making A Murderer" Season 3.

Much like that dude, we have a case of someone getting exonerated for one crime after being falsely accused for that crime and then deciding to do another crime thinking that you could then say you are being falsely targeted again because they have a vendetta against you. Except this time you actually did it.

Trump and company felt emboldened to solicit election interference after they were able to dodge the Russian fiasco. Knowing that Joe Biden was a serious threat to his re-election.

They felt confident that if and when evidence of this corruption surfaced his gaggle of sycophants would spin rubber like no other to create the smokescreen of "its all fake news, just like Russia was, it is just the same Democratic Party, MSM, liberals and TDS sufferers vendetta against such an honest, hardworking man of the people".

This evidence is far more obvious and damning.

I couldn't give a damn if Hunter Biden is more corrupt. Arrest him, send him to jail. Don't care, I mean really so what??

But the actions of an un-elected official does not somehow magically exonerate the corrupt actions of the President of the USA, Donald Trump and his acolytes from their corruption.

 

[buka001]

I mean look at this.

Collusion. Co-ordinated. Time for Junior to see the inside of court and start answering some difficult questions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1217570455973957639

 

[greg0205]

That is an unbelievable answer. You don't care about political corruption as long as you personally were being benefited right now?

It's been the narrative here for the last couple of days... "Sure, my guy is corrupt but everybody is corrupt."

First, it isn't true. Second, it benefits the corrupt and the corrupt only.

It's all Disinformation 101.

Ask any good Soviet era Russian.

 

[cerebus]

Ask any good Soviet era Russian.

Just what I was thinking. These guys would make first-rate capital one citizens for President Putin.

 

[AlmightyBender]

That is an unbelievable answer. You don't care about political corruption as long as you personally were being benefited right now?

Which is the exact reason the ANC stays in power, go figure.

This bunch has zero morals or principles. Win/Lose > Right/Wrong 24/7/365

 

[konfab]

I know what this is.

This is "Making A Murderer" Season 3.

Much like that dude, we have a case of someone getting exonerated for one crime after being falsely accused for that crime and then deciding to do another crime thinking that you could then say you are being falsely targeted again because they have a vendetta against you. Except this time you actually did it.

Trump and company felt emboldened to solicit election interference after they were able to dodge the Russian fiasco. Knowing that Joe Biden was a serious threat to his re-election.

They felt confident that if and when evidence of this corruption surfaced his gaggle of sycophants would spin rubber like no other to create the smokescreen of "its all fake news, just like Russia was, it is just the same Democratic Party, MSM, liberals and TDS sufferers vendetta against such an honest, hardworking man of the people".

This evidence is far more obvious and damning.

I couldn't give a damn if Hunter Biden is more corrupt. Arrest him, send him to jail. Don't care, I mean really so what??

But the actions of an un-elected official does not somehow magically exonerate the corrupt actions of the President of the USA, Donald Trump and his acolytes from their corruption.

I just wish at some point people would realise it is the size of the monster that is the federal government that is the problem. Relying on the populace to give the right guy virtually unlimited power is the real problem with US and the world. It isn't going to go away if/when the Trumpenfuher goes.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So, this Ukraine corruption appears to extend beyond Trump to include Pence, Nunes, and Barr, at least. No wonder that the corrupt Republicans are protecting Trump. If he goes down, they stand to go to jail.

It extends all the way to Obama and Victoria-fahk-the-EU-Nuland by the way

 

[cerebus]

I just wish at some point people would realise it is the size of the monster that is the federal government that is the problem. Relying on the populace to give the right guy virtually unlimited power is the real problem with US and the world. It isn't going to go away if/when the Trumpenfuher goes.

That's like saying the real problem is Jesus needs to come back to cleanse the earth. Not much bloody use.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

so this thread has turned into a dumpster-fire by the looks of it, pages and pages of "meh" with a sprinkle of articles about the attempted public opinion trial which has zero bearing on the senate trial anyway

does anyone have actual timeline / relevant updates w.r.t. the senate trial?

 

[cerebus]

I mean look at this.

Collusion. Co-ordinated. Time for Junior to see the inside of court and start answering some difficult questions.

 

[greg0205]

so this thread has turned into a dumpster-fire by the looks of it, pages and pages of "meh" with a sprinkle of articles about the attempted public opinion trial which has zero bearing on the senate trial anyway

does anyone have actual timeline / relevant updates w.r.t. the senate trial?

Mitch says it'll start next Tuesday.

Senate will vote on the process then.

 

[konfab]

That's like saying the real problem is Jesus needs to come back to cleanse the earth. Not much bloody use.

I disagree. Governments around the world have very successfully reduced the size of their state. Even in sunny South Africa they actually to do it for a few years before the commies got control.


There are plenty of ways to do it, simply cutting spending is one, which worked very well for Canuckistan.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/11/successful-ways-government-reduces-debt.asp

 

[rietrot]

It's been the narrative here for the last couple of days... "Sure, my guy is corrupt but everybody is corrupt."

First, it isn't true. Second, it benefits the corrupt and the corrupt only.

It's all Disinformation 101.

Ask any good Soviet era Russian.

You are confusing "my guy" and "my team" but I don't expect anything more from a collectivist. There's corrupt people on both teams. You might think you are winning if your team is better at protecting there own. As a collectivist this makes sense. But it would be wrong. You aren't standing on the moral high ground if you are protecting the corrupt people on your team, you are with them in the swamp.

And yes excusing corruption as just something that happens everywhere is wrong. It is intellectually lazy, and stupid.

 

[cerebus]

I disagree. Governments around the world have very successfully reduced the size of their state. Even in sunny South Africa they actually to do it for a few years before the commies got control.


There are plenty of ways to do it, simply cutting spending is one, which worked very well for Canuckistan.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/11/successful-ways-government-reduces-debt.asp

Sure, sure, but it's got nothing to do with the current corruption of the current president.

 

[SlinkyMike]

I'm all for draining the swamp and sending the swamprats to prison. No politically connected person should ever be above the law.

...self proclaimed "Trump supporter" the mind boggles.