Department of Mineral Resources and Energy has started the formal process of deregulating the price of petrol in SA.

[vigras rojara]

Remove the part of the fuel price that is set aside for petrol attendants and let the petrol station work that cost into their fuel price. Personally I won't mind a station that has a self service option if it means I can save R1 per litre

Love the idea of an app, I am sure some Dev is busy working on something in their free time now.

There is such an app in the UK - works on user self reporting.

Not really much use though as unless you're in an unfamiliar area you know locally where the cheapest convenient fuel will be anyway.

 

[Grant]

Remove the part of the fuel price that is set aside for petrol attendants and let the petrol station work that cost into their fuel price. Personally I won't mind a station that has a self service option if it means I can save R1 per litre

Love the idea of an app, I am sure some Dev is busy working on something in their free time now.

Easy to say "do away with the petrol attendants" - but then they are jobless and without income.
Off they go for UIF of govt grants - then the call goes out "stop paying the welfare leaches"

I say keep the attendants, I can afford the additional cost & fukk those who cant - exactly like those who say "can their jobs, I don't want to pay their salaries".

Whose self interest should prevail?

 

[cr@zydude]

Yeah, it's really going to complicate life.

We will need some app, and how will it get the up-to-date pricing data?

I'd like to thank that such an app exists in SA. What have the diesel buyers been doing for years?

 

[vigras rojara]

Easy to say "do away with the petrol attendants" - but then they are jobless and without income.
Off they go for UIF of govt grants - then the call goes out "stop paying the welfare leaches"

I say keep the attendants, I can afford the additional cost & fukk those who cant - exactly like those who say "can their jobs, I don't want to pay their salaries".

Whose self interest should prevail?

I agree with this - in a country with such high unemployment we now want to abolish thousands of jobs in order to save a few bucks off some petrol?

Bad Idea.

 

[BuckRogers]

I agree with this - in a country with such high unemployment we now want to abolish thousands of jobs in order to save a few bucks off some petrol?

Bad Idea.

And let's add a government mandated tyre pumper, window washer and carpet vacuumer job while we're at it. They can just add it to the fuel bill no problem.

 

[vigras rojara]

And let's add a government mandated tyre pumper, window washer and carpet vacuumer job while we're at it. They can just add it to the fuel bill no problem.

Don't the existing guys wash the windscreen and check the tyres anyway?

Plus you're forgetting the investment fuel stations would have to make to infrastructure in order to adapt to the new system, the costs of which would have to be recovered.

 

[yebocan]

When a government takes the opposition's advice....

A R17.50 per litre alternative to South Africa’s record-high petrol price

The opposition Democratic Alliance says parliament is currently processing its Fuel Price Deregulation Bill, with the proposed law aimed at significantly lowering the cost of petrol in the country.

businesstech.co.za

 

[am-user]

Remove the part of the fuel price that is set aside for petrol attendants and let the petrol station work that cost into their fuel price. Personally I won't mind a station that has a self service option if it means I can save R1 per litre

Love the idea of an app, I am sure some Dev is busy working on something in their free time now.

https://petrolprices.co.za

 

[killerbyte]

Easy to say "do away with the petrol attendants" - but then they are jobless and without income.
Off they go for UIF of govt grants - then the call goes out "stop paying the welfare leaches"

I say keep the attendants, I can afford the additional cost & fukk those who cant - exactly like those who say "can their jobs, I don't want to pay their salaries".

Whose self interest should prevail?

You miss my point.
Their salaries are built into the petrol price, which means that I have to pay their wages even if they are incompetent and put the wrong fuel in or spill petrol on my paint work. I have no problem with attendants, but rather their wages should be built into the cost of business for a garage owner.
The government does not force my employer to add R1 to every item they sell to pay my salary, my employer calculates how much I will cost them over a year and they build that into the cost of the item... like every other business does.

Doesn't change the fact that I wouldn't mind going to a garage that is self service. People in SA are lazy and need to learn to be able to put in their own petrol, check their own oil (which you should do at home before you even turn on your car in the morning) and fill up their own wiper fluid. People on this forum call Americans stupid and lazy, yet how many would understand how to fill their own petrol, a fact of life Americans, Brits and Europeans all have to do.

And on the other side of the coin people who want to have someone else do it for them can go to a petrol station which has attendants. Freedom of choice is good for the consumer.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

In actual fact the pumps are designed for self service use anyway,

here in SA they have to ADD an attendant tag to get the petrol pump to start working.

Why don't we have certain petrol stations with attendants, and ones without,
That's what they have overseas anyway.

Strange SA laws, like Taxis can't cruise (like NYC) and your not allowed to pump your own petrol.

What next? Car guarding becoming a profession? Maybe carry a payment terminal?

 

[bwana]

Energy Minister Gwede Mantashe on Friday published a government gazette, asking the public to chip in on his intention to introduce a price cap for 93 octane.

What about all of those regions that don't supply 93?

Strange SA laws, like Taxis can't cruise (like NYC) and your not allowed to pump your own petrol.

Not sure where you got that idea from.

 

[supersunbird]

What about all of those regions that don't supply 93?

Not sure where you got that idea from.

So taxis (as in metered taxis) can't cruise around for a pick up in NYC either?

 

[cr@zydude]

What about all of those regions that don't supply 93?

Not sure where you got that idea from.

It's completely legal for 93 octane to be sold at the coast. Wholesalers or stations chose not to stock it due to expected low demand.

 

[bwana]

So taxis (as in metered taxis) can't cruise around for a pick up in NYC either?

Of course they can.

Funny enough it’s why I learned to whistle through my fingers.

It's completely legal for 93 octane to be sold at the coast. Wholesalers or stations chose not to stock it due to expected low demand.

Which doesn’t explain why they are limiting it to 93 octane?

 

[cr@zydude]

Of course they can.

Funny enough it’s why I learned to whistle through my fingers.

Which doesn’t explain why they are limiting it to 93 octane?

It's a start, I expect that eventually 95 will move to the same system. Government has also long wanted to encourage 93 use inland due to how many cars there can run on it.

 

[Gnome]

Strange SA laws, like Taxis can't cruise (like NYC) and your not allowed to pump your own petrol.

We already have that.
Minibus taxis are cruising all the time.
Now you want more of that.
You clearly haven't lived in an area where Uber is popular because they absolutely f@ck up the flow of traffic.
They stop whenever they want and they drive slowly trying to find people and places.

The same kind of Taxi regulation as SA exist in many other countries for good reason.
Taxi drivers are c@nts.

 

[Gnome]

This will most definitely only increase fuel price
You know those far away fuel stations you sometimes need to go to on your way to Stillbaai or some other obscure place.
Better take your vaseline with you on those trips.

Also I absolutely see local petrol stations increasing price at all kinds of opportune times.
Regulated fuel price was one of the few things our country got right.

Looking for decently priced fuel in the US and UK was a nightmare while I travelled there.

 

[AfricanTech]

self service petrol in SA

watch the panhandlers and car guards make a nuisance of themselves

"let me pump the petrol for you merrem...."

 

[Blue Shirt]

This will most definitely only increase fuel price
You know those far away fuel stations you sometimes need to go to on your way to Stillbaai or some other obscure place.
Better take your vaseline with you on those trips.

Also I absolutely see local petrol stations increasing price at all kinds of opportune times.
Regulated fuel price was one of the few things our country got right.

Looking for decently priced fuel in the US and UK was a nightmare while I travelled there.

You obviously have not read the proposed changes.

There will be a cap on the price, so retailers can discount the price not increase it willy-nilly above the cap.

 

[Arzy]

Fanciful idea that isn't going to have nearly the impact it suggests.

The RAS margin of ~228c consists of 3 portions being:

The investor margin (30%)
Operating maring (56%)
Risk & Mitigation (14%)

Depending on the structure of whole built the filling station, who owns the land and negotiations operators would generally get between 105c to 136c per liter of fuel with which to fund their operations.

As nice as it sounds that there is 228c to play with this isn't nearly the case. Most of the fuel companies got cut off from their international funding ages ago and signed fixed rentals with investors to procure land and construct filling stations on their behalf.

If anything it will be in the operating margin where some benefit is given at the cost of jobs.