Deputy President David Mabuza off to Russia for a medical consultation

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We may have world class medical staff, but we don't have enough. To see a specialist in the rural areas is almost impossible.

With that being said, it could just be that he's running away from his condition being leaked to media by some unscrupulous hospital officials.

Its almost definitely so he can avoid his condition being leaked to the media...

I would hazard a guess that the condition is considerably more serious than anyone has let on so far. He would get world-class treatment in this country but there is that ever present risk that it would somehow get leaked to the media by someone in the other faction for political point scoring.

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In saying that though, this is a personal choice of his and he should be forced to pay for this little excursion out of his back pocket. No state resources should be used to ferry him to Russia and pay for the travel of his protection detail either. The state should pay for the treatment up to what it would cost in this country and no more.
 
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Its almost definitely so he can avoid his condition being leaked to the media...

I would hazard a guess that the condition is considerably more serious than anyone has let on so far. He would get world-class treatment in this country but there is that ever present risk that it would somehow get leaked to the media by someone in the other faction for political point scoring.
It is unsettling that we have a guy who may well be our next (could even be after the ANC's next elective conference) president getting such close personal attention from a foreign nation, never mind that foreign being Russia. The same country who want to sell us nuclear power and Mabuza leads government's task force at Eskom. Scary.
 

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It is unsettling that we have a guy who may well be our next (could even be after the ANC's next elective conference) president getting such close personal attention from a foreign nation, never mind that foreign being Russia. The same country who want to sell us nuclear power and Mabuza leads government's task force at Eskom. Scary.

Of course its unsettling, in the extreme.

It creates a "reliance" on a foreign nation for the health of our 2nd citizen effectively and there will be political costs attached to that which we will never know about until its too damn late.
 

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I wonder what the real cost of the jaunt will be.
Motorcades, the travel, food and accommodation costs of those going with?
 

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Replacing the ninth life is taking longer that it was anticipated.
I wonder if his ninth-life is a JZ one?
 

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Im no consipracy theorist or Fox News watcher but I find it concerning that after he went to Russia we had our insurrection.
 

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I wonder if his ninth-life is a JZ one?

That is absolute nonsense, this guy for all means and purposes already took the flight, but he is being granted with leniency. His sick note will be an interesting one, sure the cadres can read Russian?

I made a joke back when Zuma was sentenced and Ramaphosa had to make the trip, that Mabuzu took the way out of avoiding making any decision regarding Zuma's incarceration...
 

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That is absolute nonsense, this guy for all means and purposes already took the flight, but he is being granted with leniency. His sick note will be an interesting one, sure the cadres can read Russian?

I made a joke back when Zuma was sentenced and Ramaphosa had to make the trip, that Mabuzu took the way out of avoiding making any decision regarding Zuma's incarceration...
Nonsense?
Please explain.
 

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Nonsense?
Please explain.

Rather, explain to me why his case was granted with a postponement, but allow me to give my views,

He has now twice being treated in Russia, the last time being in 2018. Follow-up visit, being granted with leave, knowing that he has to be back to attend to this civil trial. Is he still poisoned, was he poisoned all those years ago? It must be quite the ailment to be still impacted by it since 2015.

It doesn't make sense. This postponement is too easily granted, but having read the news, it seems that the clients is willing to engage in attempting to arrive at a settlement. This has been going on since 2018... Just another civil lawsuit with no urgency. Two years, still willing to reach a settlement. At this point, it starts to remind me about the Vodacom Please Call Me case...

What irks me the most is that we have a deputy president which is more idle than active. Flight-risk politics.
 

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Rather, explain to me why his case was granted with a postponement, but allow me to give my views,

He has now twice being treated in Russia, the last time being in 2018. Follow-up visit, being granted with leave, knowing that he has to be back to attend to this civil trial. Is he still poisoned, was he poisoned all those years ago? It must be quite the ailment to be still impacted by it since 2015.

It doesn't make sense. This postponement is too easily granted, but having read the news, it seems that the clients is willing to engage in attempting to arrive at a settlement. This has been going on since 2018... Just another civil lawsuit with no urgency. Two years, still willing to reach a settlement. At this point, it starts to remind me about the Vodacom Please Call Me case...

What irks me the most is that we have a deputy president which is more idle than active. Flight-risk politics.
Okay, a "you call it potato, I call it potato" ... in this case I use a stronger word normally. ;)

100% same wave length.

Just some more context:
The judge asked them to make arrangements to have the trial as short as possible, take a guess what happened ....
For the next six weeks, with the trial date looming, the plaintiffs scrambled to deliver these further particulars, finally submitting the document on 25 June. On 1 July, with the Covid-19 lockdown in full swing, Justice Molefe (the trial judge) hosted the parties on Microsoft Teams for the first case management meeting — she proposed during the meeting that the trial be held virtually, with every effort made to shorten its duration.


On 18 July, nine days before the trial was set to begin, the state attorney copied the judge on a letter to the plaintiffs’ attorney, which had been written on behalf of the seventh defendant. Deputy President Mabuza would likely appeal any decision for a trial of this “magnitude” to be conducted virtually, the letter warned. Two days after that, Mabuza discovered his leadership position in land reform and restitution in the office of the presidency — “the purpose,” according to Joubert, “was to promote the idea that the case was political and for that reason required double the originally allocated 25 court days.”
Perhaps cognisant of the cost implications for Daniel and the South African taxpayer, Justice Molefe suggested on 22 July that the case be postponed — the first week of the trial could instead be used for case management, she proposed, with the parties attempting to reduce the number of witnesses. Although there were no objections to this from the defendants, the very next day the state attorney sent another letter “in which he not only expanded his clients’ witness list but also threatened if the plaintiffs reduced their witness list, his clients would consider adding plaintiffs’ witnesses to their list.”


And so, it seemed, the squeeze was on, with absurdities piling atop absurdities. During case management, Advocate Hellens (echoing Jan Muller, as per Charles Ndabeni’s affidavit in piece II), would attempt to cast the matter in broad political terms, framing Daniel as a racist who did not understand the complexities of land reform. To add insult to injury, the first, fourth and seventh defendants would refuse to admit that the plaintiffs actually existed — they would dispute that Daniel owned the land in question, despite the fact that the Mpumalanga regional land claims commissioner (the office of the fourth defendant himself) had gazetted the properties in 2004.


Call me Siener Sollie: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...cal-consultation.1143215/page-2#post-27586647
 

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Its almost definitely so he can avoid his condition being leaked to the media...

I would hazard a guess that the condition is considerably more serious than anyone has let on so far. He would get world-class treatment in this country but there is that ever present risk that it would somehow get leaked to the media by someone in the other faction for political point scoring.

**EDIT**
In saying that though, this is a personal choice of his and he should be forced to pay for this little excursion out of his back pocket. No state resources should be used to ferry him to Russia and pay for the travel of his protection detail either. The state should pay for the treatment up to what it would cost in this country and no more.

Probably

 

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