Did Islam experience a massive cover up?

FrankCastle

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The following documentary provides a very logical and concise view on the real origins of Muhammed. Muslims will have a hard time providing, with evidence, a convincing defense based on their weak "oral tradition" hypothesis. Seems like everything they know is based on just a belief - albeit an extremely powerful and unbending one.
When you combine this with what Tom Holland and especially Jay Smith are punting, a more practical theory of how Islam originated begins to emerge.

 

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The following documentary provides a very logical and concise view on the real origins of Muhammed. Muslims will have a hard time providing, with evidence, a convincing defense based on their weak "oral tradition" hypothesis. Seems like everything they know is based on just a belief - albeit an extremely powerful and unbending one.
When you combine this with what Tom Holland and especially Jay Smith are punting, a more practical theory of how Islam originated begins to emerge.

Can't watch on the account that my line is down give a 5 to 10 point TL;DR summary
 

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Didn't watch much, but nothing new. Anyone who has done basic religious studies knows this stuff. Mohammed was a charismatic militaristic leader of an oppressed group of people. He associated with the local Jews because they were also oppressed at the time. This is why Islam has so many elements of Judaism in it. Islam is a militant religion of war, because that is what was needed to bring disparate groups of Arabs together to fight against those who oppressed them.
 

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Didn't watch much, but nothing new. Anyone who has done basic religious studies knows this stuff. Mohammed was a charismatic militaristic leader of an oppressed group of people. He associated with the local Jews because they were also oppressed at the time. This is why Islam has so many elements of Judaism in it. Islam is a militant religion of war, because that is what was needed to bring disparate groups of Arabs together to fight against those who oppressed them.
you clearly watched nothing
 

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Can't watch on the account that my line is down give a 5 to 10 point TL;DR summary
direction of quiblas were changed over time.

in the 1st hundred years of islam quiblas faced the city of petra.

events described in the quran took place in petra, not mecca

becca (place of weeping) was the name of we now know as petra.

the "forbidden gathering place" is in petra, not mecca.

some north african and spanish mosques have quiblas that face "some place in south africa"

some mosques have quiblas that face neither mecca or petra - they were built in this way during times of war to appear neutral.
 

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I skipped through, but the bits I heard were nothing new.
like north african quiblas face south africa ?

or historical events described in the quran, historically, geographically and archeologically can be proven to have taken place in petra - and were impossible to have taken place in mecca ?
 

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Didn't watch much, but nothing new. Anyone who has done basic religious studies knows this stuff. Mohammed was a charismatic militaristic leader of an oppressed group of people. He associated with the local Jews because they were also oppressed at the time. This is why Islam has so many elements of Judaism in it. Islam is a militant religion of war, because that is what was needed to bring disparate groups of Arabs together to fight against those who oppressed them.
were this a casino, i would place a significant bet that you watched nothing.
your generic description is 100% inaccurate - the documentary has very little to do with muhammad, in fact virtually nothing
 
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You just have to look at how cults originate today.

Nobody should be surprised that a Caravan bandit with schizophrenia, tinnitus and a hairy cyst on his back became the prophet for a major religion, because his wife said so.
 

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direction of quiblas were changed over time.

in the 1st hundred years of islam quiblas faced the city of petra.

events described in the quran took place in petra, not mecca

becca (place of weeping) was the name of we now know as petra.

the "forbidden gathering place" is in petra, not mecca.

some north african and spanish mosques have quiblas that face "some place in south africa"

some mosques have quiblas that face neither mecca or petra - they were built in this way during times of war to appear neutral.
I've watched a video of a guy claiming that the Mecca in the Bible was somewhere north close the frontiers of both Roman and Sassanian Persian Empires. Added fact that both Roman and Persians used Arab mercenaries from this region. Arabs who used practice a version of Christianity very close to Judaism , so that also gives some supports the theory.
 

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I've watched a video of a guy claiming that the Mecca in the Bible was somewhere north close the frontiers of both Roman and Sassanian Persian Empires. Added fact that both Roman and Persians used Arab mercenaries from this region. Arabs who used practice a version of Christianity very close to Judaism , so that also gives some supports the theory.
in short, you did not watch this video ?
 

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Notice the question mark in the OP? Whole point of this thread is to debate if indeed parts of Islamic history has been covered up. Some interesting counter articles you posted which as expected will come from an Islamic apologist who conveniently left out the balance of Doctrina Jacobis account.

Heres the full account and not surprisingly Jacobi considers Muhammed to be a false prophet:
http://allanruhl.com/islam-and-the-doctrina-jacobi/
 
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