Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[r00igev@@r]

Sure - I had Chinese in me .............. dumped that a day or so a ago, but wiped with TP from Clicks

Amateur, use a mieliestronk like 'n egte boerseun.

 

[r00igev@@r]

Let's not discuss your boyfriend's heritage here.

The bastard loves his horse more than me.

 

[wingnut771]

Jews had to wear yellow star in South africa?

No, just went off on a tangent and started talking about the The Holocaust in Nazi Germany.

 

[C4Cat]

department of education appointed people based on their ability and not on the colour of their skin.

The 2 are not mutually exclusive

 

[BBSA]

The 2 are not mutually exclusive

Yes of course not, but looking at the state of our education, I doubt educators and administrators were appointed based on ability.

 

[wingnut771]

I disagree. I think the biggest downfall of SA is the lack of proper education from primary all through to tertiary education. If people were properly educated and qualified the economic effects of BEE and AA would be insignificant. The ANC has made a lot of mistakes but the biggest, imo, is not focusing large amounts of money and resources on educating the population of this country properly.

They already have been spending vasts amount of money. Ironically, because of BEE and AA the quality ain't so great.

Government expenditure on education, total (% of GDP) - Sub-Saharan Africa | Data

Government expenditure on education, total (% of GDP) - Sub-Saharan Africa from The World Bank: Data

data.worldbank.org

 

[RonSwanson]

If only.

Being a perpetual victim is far worse.

Just remember that merely pointing out the facts does not necessarily make oneself a victim.

 

[wingnut771]

Maybe, but I don't think there was a real lack of qualified non white people. Cadre deployment, corruption and incompetence in the ANC happens with or without BEE

or they can just leave politics and ideology out of education and let all colours educate. From day 1 of the new south africa they wanted the white teachers out. The same whites that ended apartheid.

 

[RonSwanson]

BEE and AA is partly the cause for the lack of proper education in our beloved country.

That, and Transformation.

 

[TheChamp]

Yes of course not, but looking at the state of our education, I doubt educators and administrators was appointed based on ability.

Let's not pretend like we have stable homes that produces children who are model learners for the teachers, I am super impressed with what our teachers are achieving knowing what they have to deal with.

Honestly trying to confine the state of our education to teachers and administrators is very flawed, we have a societal problem that becomes prevalent at school, putting the blame on teachers and questioning their competence is hugely simplifying the problem.

 

[RonSwanson]

Yes of course not, but looking at the state of our education, I doubt educators and administrators was appointed based on ability.

They were appointed based on the union's requirements, and the willingness to shag the appointers.

 

[BBSA]

Let's not pretend like we have stable homes that produces children who are model learners for the teachers, I am super impressed with what our teachers are achieving knowing what they have to deal with.

Honestly trying to confine the state of our education to teachers and administrators is very flawed, we have a societal problem that becomes prevalent at school, putting the blame on teachers and questioning their competence is hugely simplifying the problem.

Yes, there are many contributing factors...

But you are delusional if you think all educators and administrators were appointed solely on ability.

We can not redress the mistakes of the past with exactly the same mistakes.

 

[Fulcrum29]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581513123252822017

As far as I am concerned, that letter by the CEO of Dischem was racial and devisive. Racial qoutus contributed to our current economic woes. Hire South Africans on Merit, and focus on investment in training where you experience weaknesses.

I see Mighti Jamie replied with this,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581590403203010560

Jamie says to look at the general trend, but who established this trend and what IF data is manipulated to drive policy?

Unless people are in the view to take the demographics, group the race classes, and say these are the targets. Oh, wait... quotas. We can’t possibly look at race alone to carry out redress, and yes, there is employment equity, but that is also ignoring circumstance. There is no easy solution to this, but the current method is alienating people, start-ups and small businesses which is swept away by arguing economic reasons.

There are minority groups in SA shrinking, why are they shrinking, what is the general trend, Jamie?

Lastly, how Mashaba replied. Merit isn't key to success in any business, you need suitable candidates in which merit is a metric. Not going into this.

 

[C4Cat]

, because of BEE and AA the quality ain't so great.

Can you back that up or did you just decide that's the case?

 

[wingnut771]

Let's not pretend like we have stable homes that produces children who are model learners for the teachers, I am super impressed with what our teachers are achieving knowing what they have to deal with.

Honestly trying to confine the state of our education to teachers and administrators is very flawed, we have a societal problem that becomes prevalent at school, putting the blame on teachers and questioning their competence is hugely simplifying the problem.

Started when the ANC banned corporal punishment.

 

[wingnut771]

Can you back that up or did you just decide that's the case?

It's staring you in the face man. Is the state of our education system not enough proof? What about the 30% pass mark? It's been a downward trend since 1994. Carry on living in your bubble.

 

[TheChamp]

Yes, there are many contributing factors...

But you are delusional if you think all educators and administrators were appointed solely on ability.

We can not redress the mistakes of the past with exactly the same mistakes.

Well, I believe that most of the educators have the necessary qualifications for the job they were appointed for, that on its own implies they are competent on carrying out the task of being an educator. We can speculate all we want on whether there were other factors that ensured the got the job over others, that's won't be very useful.

Perhaps if you could produce the stats that proves first that there are so many teachers who are in positions they are not qualified for therefore our education is suffering as a result, then that would be a good point to start from.

I believe there are always influences in how people are appointed, either the people who are authorized to influence the process such as those who are in charge of the appointment process, you can argue that unions or so and so also indirectly influence the process, but does it then follow that the person appointed isn't competent?

That's like arguing that someone who was headhunted or recommended for employment is not competent merely because on the fact that he was recommended or headhunted.

 

[ijacobs3]

Started when the ANC banned corporal punishment.

couldnt agree more, went to my old school, now ( noCP) vs then, kids just spit at teachers, and there is nothing the teachers can do to install some form of respect, todays young "leaders" are 100% a product of this, there is no fear of consequence for wrong doing, its always someone else fault

 

[TheChamp]

Started when the ANC banned corporal punishment.

Yeah ne, I honestly don't even know where to start so I won't bother.

 

[BBSA]

Well, I believe that most of the educators have the necessary qualifications for the job they were appointed for, that on its own implies they are competent on carrying out the task of being an educator. We can speculate all we want on whether there were other factors that ensured the got the job over others, that's won't be very useful.

Perhaps if you could produce the stats that proves first that there are so many teachers who are in positions they are not qualified for therefore our education is suffering as a result, then that would be a good point to start from.

I believe there are always influences in how people are appointed, either the people who are authorized to influence the process such as those who are in charge of the appointment process, you can argue that unions or so and so also indirectly influence the process, but does it then follow that the person appointed isn't competent?

That's like arguing that someone who was headhunted or recommended for employment is not competent merely because on the fact that he was recommended or headhunted.

Okay comrade