Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[konfab]

Why should Dischem be boycotted for simply driving compliance with the ANC Government's racist BEE directives?

Why should white people be punished for other white people simply following apartheid law?

 

[rietrot]

Why should Dischem be boycotted for simply driving compliance with the ANC Government's racist BEE directives?

Every single privately owned business is expected to comply with BEE or face the ANC Government.

The just following orders argument doesn't work. It is also weak and pathetic.

 

[porchrat]

This is the the stated and enforced BEE policy for all JSE listed companies. They have no choice in this matter. They face ongoing fines for non compliance. Don't blame the companies for what is an ANC racist policy. You should be waging this war at the ballot box.

This is the reality. As much as the emotional portion of me wants to blame Dischem, the truth is that it's not Dischem's fault. They are simply following a law imposed by the government.

What is really sad to see is the response from South Africans supporting this. I understand that Dischem are simply following the law, but I still see that law as racist. I can't support racism. Colour should never be a factor in whether or not someone gets a job.

I still feel there would be no need for BEE/AA legislation if this government would educate the population. Empower black folks to create their own businesses and watch the wealth roll into this country.

 

[Anti-Chris]

They can sugarcoat it with nice names like Affirmative Action or Employment Equity targets as much as they like... Fact of the matter is it is still discrimination based on race... South Africa is still the same old "We proudly discriminate against people based on the color of their skin!" country, only difference is that black is the new white....

 

[RiaX]

Why should Dischem be boycotted for simply driving compliance with the ANC Government's racist BEE directives?

Every single privately owned business is expected to comply with BEE or face the ANC Government.

Should the Discmen CEO issued a trigger warning before sending out his letter?

This how the people with the money speak. We are a minority we cannot win in the elections. So we'll talk where we spend our money and put the pressure on big business

 

[LazyLion]

It's what the people want. You included. My preference is we don't exclude anyone.

Seemingly you have no problem with discem completely stopping hiring or promotion of white employees.

I'll go the the white store.

I don't want Segregation. I am opposed to the Policy. I will be voting against it at the Ballot Box.
I deliberately did not take my company Public (kept it private) so that I could avoid this policy.
I do not enforce ANY BEE policies in my company.
My company takes a financial hit already because of our refusal to enforce BEE.

 

[LCBXX]

The just following orders argument doesn't work. It is also weak and pathetic.

Offer your services to challenge BEE policies in court, or contribute to the legal costs of institutions like Afriforum who are taking on the ANC Government on the matter.

Boycotting is not the solution.

 

[LCBXX]

This how the people with the money speak. We are a minority we cannot win in the elections. So we'll talk where we spend our money and put the pressure on big business

I hope that it works this time.

 

[rietrot]

This is the reality. As much as the emotional portion of me wants to blame Dischem, the truth is that it's not Dischem's fault. They are simply following a law imposed by the government.

What is really sad to see is the response from South Africans supporting this. I understand that Dischem are simply following the law, but I still see that law as racist. I can't support racism. Colour should never be a factor in whether or not someone gets a job.

I still feel there would be no need for BEE/AA legislation if this government would educate the population. Empower black folks to create the own businesses and watch the wealth roll into this country.

Dischem is not just following the law. They have now gone way beyond what is a reasonable interpretation of the law. They have done this by themselves without the government even asking them to.

The letters mentioned a posible fine from the JSE which isn't going to happen.

There was absolutely 0 pressure from government. These weak managerial class CEOs will bend over backwards and implement bad government policy without a second thought.

ANC will slowly get voted out. But this is actually something people can take a principled stance on now.

 

[Stonemason]

Any idiot who thinks that Clicks or any other pharmacy chain doesn't have the same policy is a moron....

There are many independent pharmacies where they have real pharmacists behind the counter.

I will not be withdrawing my business from Dischem because I never supported them in the past. They have pharmacists assistants behind the counter who do not know the difference between medicine for an in-grown toe nail and a cold. Useless bunch.

 

[RiaX]

I hope that it works this time.

Probably won't but what else can a tax payer do. Without breaking laws

 

[rietrot]

Offer your services to challenge BEE policies in court, or contribute to the legal costs of institutions like Afriforum who are taking on the ANC Government on the matter.

Boycotting is not the solution.

I doesn't need to be challenged in court. Nobody threatened to take Dischem to court for not doing BEE. There is no court case.
Already contribute to Afriforum
Afriforum isn't taking on the government to court, but Dischem for acting unlawfully, way above what government requires.

Boycis the perfect solution. Any competent Dischem employee would be able to move over to whatever other pharmacy starts to perform better. Not that I believe it will actually work to many people can't really think for themselves or take a principled stance on any. They are weak and scared

 

[porchrat]

Dischem is not just following the law. They have now gone way beyond what is a reasonable interpretation of the law. They have done this by themselves without the government even asking them to.

How so?

Is it not possible that they're so far out of compliance with the law, or so at risk of being out of compliance, that they now are forced to ban hiring white people in order to avoid a fine?

I fail to see how that situation is Dischem's fault. The real problem here is that the laws enforcing these quotas exist in the first place.

The letters mentioned a posible fine from the JSE which isn't going to happen.

There was absolutely 0 pressure from government. These weak managerial class CEOs will bend over backwards and implement bad government policy without a second thought.

ANC will slowly get voted out. But this is actually something people can take a principled stance on now.

I'd say a law with a hefty fine attached is pressure from the government, so I disagree with you, but you do you Chief.

 

[R13...]

This is the reality. As much as the emotional portion of me wants to blame Dischem, the truth is that it's not Dischem's fault. They are simply following a law imposed by the government.

It is their fault. The management's fault to be exact - they knew there were equity laws and did nothing over the years to transition and now they are at a point where they have to actually stop hiring white people to make up. Reasons could be that they ignored the laws in the past. They may have been failing to retain non white management because the environment was hostile, etc. So, yeah blaming them is well within reason.

 

[OhYeah84]

Facts are facts, and not a single 1 of the people running that company at the top are going to vacate their seats to "address the imbalances of the past".
They're going to keep their cushy jobs and push this directive down the line to others.

 

[konfab]

It is their fault. The management's fault to be exact - they knew there were equity laws and did nothing over the years to transition and now they are at a point where they have to actually stop hiring white people to make up. Reasons could be that they ignored the laws in the past. They may have been failing to retain non white management because the environment was hostile, etc. So, yeah blaming them is well within reason.

Well this is what I call them out for.

These management types claim that they stand for "transformation" and diversity. But ask them to use their corporate social responsibility money to make a few school-to-university scholarships for poor people (who are by far majority black) and they will start kvetching like you wouldn't believe.

They don't believe the B.S they peddle, which is why they end up just enforcing strict quotas because those are the easiest for karen at HR to implement, even though strict quotas like the ones mentioned in the letter are flatly unconstitutional.

 

[rietrot]

How so?

Is it not possible that they're so far out of compliance with the law, or so at risk of being out of compliance, that they now are forced to ban hiring white people in order to avoid a fine?

I fail to see how that situation is Dischem's fault. The real problem here is that the laws enforcing these quotas exist in the first place.


I'd say a law with a hefty fine attached is pressure from the government, so I disagree with you, but you do you Chief.

The fine is by the JSE not government. And they haven't implemented it even once. It is not a real thing that happens. Dischem isn't the worst performing company in terms of BEE compliance or something.

Dischem could have done BEE like a normal company if they wanted to just comply and be apolitical.(which is still wrong, but whatever).

 

[porchrat]

It is their fault. The management's fault to be exact - they knew there were equity laws and did nothing over the years to transition and now they are at a point where they have to actually stop hiring white people to make up. Reasons could be that they ignored the laws in the past. They may have been failing to retain non white management because the environment was hostile, etc. So, yeah blaming them is well within reason.

Whether they outright ban hiring white people for a brief period, or curtail the hiring of white people over a longer period makes no difference.

Racial discrimination is racial discrimination. It's all wrong.

 

[rietrot]

I don't want Segregation. I am opposed to the Policy. I will be voting against it at the Ballot Box.
I deliberately did not take my company Public (kept it private) so that I could avoid this policy.
I do not enforce ANY BEE policies in my company.
My company takes a financial hit already because of our refusal to enforce BEE.

Good for you.
Strange that you could do this yourself, but then also pretend Dischem is doing the right thing?
Seems contradictory.

 

[porchrat]

The fine is by the JSE not government. And they haven't implemented it even once. It is not a real thing that happens. Dischem isn't the worst performing company in terms of BEE compliance or something.

Dischem could have done BEE like a normal company if they wanted to just comply and be apolitical.(which is still wrong, but whatever).

By the looks of that memo Dischem management thinks the fine is a very real possibility and it's that fear that is driving this action.

None of these actions would be necessary if the laws didn't exist. This decision does not exist in a vacuum.