Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[Nuke]

That is like saying "Give the guy in first place the medal" despite him starting 100m closer to the finish line.

Remove race, look at financial history for upliftment.

This is the real world, not some stupid sport event where starting from equal ground matters. If your job is getting across the finish line first, it doesn't matter if you run or take a motorbike. if you have some inherent magical skill that you only have to run the last 20m of the race every time, good for you.

 

[deweyzeph]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581513123252822017

Agrees that racist BEE and AA destroyed South Africa. Enlightened.

Just a pity about his disgusting comments and opinions about immigrants.

 

[Vrotappel]

Why would the inequality reports show that white people are still earning 4 times as much as black people? If capitalism is so great, why was there no growth before BEE was implemented?

Your definition of competent differs from another person's definition of competent. It's also hard for people to get jobs without experience or transport, which they can't get without jobs in the first place.

Another color counter.

Why was black South Africans under apartheid richer and better off than any other black people in Africa?

 

[TheChamp]

Just a pity about his disgusting comments and opinions about immigrants.

Which ones in particular?

 

[Vrotappel]

Just a pity about his disgusting comments and opinions about immigrants.

Wanting your country to follow its own immigration laws and protect our borders is disgusting? That's new.

 

[deweyzeph]

Which ones in particular?

All of them.

 

[Gyre]

You can't reasonably expect to reap the benefits of capitalism when the economy is run by communists. The problem is not capitalism, it's the ANC government, their policies and their corruption.

28 years into democracy, an entire generation of previously discriminated against people could have received decent education. They could all be participating in the economy on equal ground. The problem is the economy has been stifled through bad policy, causing low investor confidence and lack of critical skills, making the pool of jobs small for the average man.

Instead of focusing on education, the ANC continues to push through race based legislation. This further decreases investor confidence and capital investments, which leads to further dilution of the job pool.

What makes this problem even larger, is the ANCs willingness to use race to hide their own corruption and failure. This is first and foremost a failure of the ANC to invest in the victims of apartheid at a more grassroots level. The trillions lost to corruption being invested into communities would have far greater an effect than BEE ever will on upliftment.

And even if you get rid of BEE today, the ANC and their corruption will still be here tomorrow. The point is to get rid of the ANC, and create better upliftment programs.

How long did Apartheid last? How many generations were affected? This isn't about revenge, this is to paint a picture of how much of an advantage people lost based on their generations. We shouldn't look to the past, we should look to now, who is poor now, who needs jobs now.

There are a lot of policies that need to change, BEE is just one of them.

As I said, the ANC needs to go and corruption needs to be stamped out first and foremost - BEE wouldn't even be as bad as it is if it weren't for corruption amplifying it times 100.

 

[deweyzeph]

Wanting your country to follow its own immigration laws and protect our borders is disgusting? That's new.

Well, I don't believe in immigration control or borders. People are people, where you were born shouldn't matter in the least.

 

[Bewlen]

Why would the inequality reports show that white people are still earning 4 times as much as black people?

Why indeed! I would like to see some data on that. But I have noted that the people I know who are white and doing very well, all have their own businesses or are highly educated. Can we get numbers on inequality by breakdown: employed vs entrepreneurs, and then education level? Because I think that would all answer your "why" question. The obvious answer would the be to encourage entrepeneurship and education among black people. But would you happen to have some numbers on hand of the number of black people employed vs the number of white people employed? Not percentages, actual numbers. Then we can start comparing that against historical numbers. That might tell you some things. It might tell you that government cares less about the education of the population, than their votes.

If capitalism is so great, why was there no growth before BEE was implemented?

Care to throw some numbers at me? You would have the to define the time periods and numbers, otherwise the goalposts keep shifting.

Your definition of competent differs from another person's definition of competent.

No it does not.

It's also hard for people to get jobs without experience or transport, which they can't get without jobs in the first place.

Incorrect. It is hard for people to get jobs, if there are no jobs. In the case of south africa, this is because the economy is being slaughtered by political ideology, with the citizenry cheering it on.

 

[Gyre]

Another color counter.

Why was black South Africans under apartheid richer and better off than any other black people in Africa?

They could have been even better and richer if they were allowed to participate in the economy equally all those years. It's like trying to convince a person covered in **** that they smell less horrible than other people covered in **** from other countries.

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581513123252822017

Agrees that racist BEE and AA destroyed South Africa. Enlightened.

Politicians like this gives me hope.

Sadly he will probably get a lot of hate.

 

[TheChamp]

Another color counter.

Why was black South Africans under apartheid richer and better off than any other black people in Africa?

Interesting, post something for apartheid and post apartheid comparison.

 

[Ponderer]

You'll also be singing a different tune when the only 5 surgeons in the country can't attend to you because they haven't trained anybody else up

Sing birdy, sing.

Huh?
What you posted makes no sense.
Do you mind explaining what you tried to say?

 

[Vrotappel]

'BEE a lost cause that reinforces white supremacy,' says Madonsela | The Citizen

Madonsela says the BEE policy, which aims to 'reverse' the injustices of apartheid, has not benefited small businesses.

www.citizen.co.za

 

[rvZA]

Dis-Chem withdraws moratorium on hiring of whites​

Dis-Chem withdraws memo on barring hiring whites, but says intention remains | Business

JSE-listed Dis-Chem has done an about-turn, distancing itself from an internal memo penned by its founder and CEO Ivan Saltzman and leaked to the media last week that called for a moratorium on hiring white people as the pharmaceutical retailer aimed to improve its employment equity numbers.

www.news24.com

Why?

Stores empty?

You stupid f**king racist communist idiots!

 

[wingnut771]

Why would the inequality reports show that white people are still earning 4 times as much as black people? If capitalism is so great, why was there no growth before BEE was implemented?

Your definition of competent differs from another person's definition of competent. It's also hard for people to get jobs without experience or transport, which they can't get without jobs in the first place.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the law of averages?

You can't reasonably expect to reap the benefits of capitalism when the economy is run by communists. The problem is not capitalism, it's the ANC government, their policies and their corruption.

28 years into democracy, an entire generation of previously discriminated against people could have received decent education. They could all be participating in the economy on equal ground. The problem is the economy has been stifled through bad policy, causing low investor confidence and lack of critical skills, making the pool of jobs small for the average man.

Instead of focusing on education, the ANC continues to push through race based legislation. This further decreases investor confidence and capital investments, which leads to further dilution of the job pool.

What makes this problem even larger, is the ANCs willingness to use race to hide their own corruption and failure - further pitting man against man instead of creating an environment where all can work together.

The poverty in this land is first and foremost a failure of the ANC to invest in the victims of apartheid at a more grassroots level. The trillions lost to corruption being invested into communities, would have far greater an effect than BEE ever will on upliftment. Sadly that ship has sailed. While the gods of your glorious movement sip champagne and drive super cars, your fellow man is losing his children as they fall into pit toilets.

The fact that this needs to be explained explains a lot.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Then they came back and stood by the same memo they have retracted, that's the problem, the statement they are now giving was supposed to be given after they retracted the memo, not stand by it first then a couple of days later regret things, were they not aware of the wording when they retracted it?

It is not the cleverest thing to do to backtrack a legal position. News24 should tell who undersigned that statement, but once this was put out Dischem had no control over how it would be interpreted. Unless, Dischem did so heedlessly as a PR exercise which is a bad practice. They sure started a conversation, and it is only growing bigger on social media. Now having 'walked back' a memo, which they already in their legal capacity expressed to have walked back, can only result in an implication when another such an event should arise.

There are various possibilities on why this happened. Was the board in discordance, was the statement to News24 malicious when they already gave an instruction to their legal representatives? We don't know. Regardless, what has been said has been said.

 

[Gyre]

Why indeed! I would like to see some data on that. But I have noted that the people I know who are white and doing very well, all have their own businesses or are highly educated. Can we get numbers on inequality by breakdown: employed vs entrepreneurs, and then education level? Because I think that would all answer your "why" question. The obvious answer would the be to encourage entrepeneurship and education among black people. But would you happen to have some numbers on hand of the number of black people employed vs the number of white people employed? Not percentages, actual numbers. Then we can start comparing that against historical numbers. That might tell you some things. It might tell you that government cares less about the education of the population, than their votes.


Care to throw some numbers at me? You would have the to define the time periods and numbers, otherwise the goalposts keep shifting.


No it does not.


Incorrect. It is hard for people to get jobs, if there are no jobs. In the case of south africa, this is because the economy is being slaughtered by political ideology, with the citizenry cheering it on.

I was actually trying to find some meaningful numbers haven't been useful, I'm also not sure if I'm using the right phrasing, I'll continue looking.

I don't think it's unfair to assume people's subjective opinion of competent differs? I have been in various companies, multiple interviews and worked with a lot of HR personal - I know the kinds of conversations people have and they're always unique. I have great experience and disgusting experiences in both.

I agree, it's hard to get jobs if there are no jobs - it's just as hard to get jobs if jobs are tailored to be available to only 30% of the population.

 

[wingnut771]

You'll also be singing a different tune when the only 5 surgeons in the country can't attend to you because they haven't trained anybody else up

Sing birdy, sing.

How are they supposed to be trained up if the ANC closes all the apprenticeships?

 

[Vrotappel]

Well, I don't believe in immigration control or borders. People are people, where you were born shouldn't matter in the least.

What's your address? I like to get some of your stuff.