Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[Ponderer]

It's clear, I'm not here to teach you unless you start paying me

No - it's not at all clear.
Can you please explain what you tried to say?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

As long as he gets his medicine, that's the most important thing.

The medicine he gets from Dischem is clearly not working based on his posts...

 

[Gyre]

You are arguing in circles, and contradicting yourself.
You agree that racism (BEE and AA) is wrong, is racist, and that the best person for the job should be appointed.

You also argue that the "historic background" of the person should be taken into account, and that the job should be given to the "most disadvantaged" - don't give the gold medal to the guy that won - give it to the guy that came last.

Here's how it should be.
Give everyone equal opportunity, but don't expect (enforce) equal outcome.
Stop awarding the medals for winners to losers.

Your English is really atrocious and you should probably address it instead of wasting time punishing the people on this forum.

Let people do whatever they want with their own businesses, to employ whoever they want without being punished - but create incentives to uplift people based on who they are as individuals, not their race, age, belief, sexual orientation or sex. We can only grow as a country and a community by uplifting those around us.

Bragging about winning a race that you've cheated in isn't an accomplishment, based on your analogy.

 

[Gyre]

No - it's not at all clear.
Can you please explain what you tried to say?

I bank with Nedbank, PMing you the banking details, send money and I'll explain more.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

I don't see a problem with what he said in those quotes.

The income inequality in SA is high, and is largely divided between racial lines, and is a result of the past, and needs to be addressed.

The problem is with how the ANC tried to tackle this for their own gain, and using these real issues above as an excuse for their behaviour...

Are you and chomp having a dumbass competition?

 

[Gyre]

I agree but here we are.

Still need to get rid of racist BEE policies since not only is it discrimination it is hurting this economy to a level beyond repair.

I agree, but it goes hand-in-hand with other factors hurting the economy. Getting rid of BEE alone won't fix the country or economy.

As with the hundreds of years of African history on this continent, here we are.

 

[Fulcrum29]

For anyone wanting to read Dischem's statement,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582008035274555392

 

[Neuk_]

Redistributing the pie into ever decreasing sizes, until nobody has enough pie, rather than just making a bigger pie?

Sounds legit.

Pretty much, I saw this when I was in high school in the 90's, where the high school I went to had ideas in place t raise money to be used to hire extra teachers, incentivize better STEM field teachers, etc. The Gauteng Department of Education wanted it stopped because other schools weren't doing it, either because they didn't have the means, the know how or the will to attempt something similar. No questions about how it worked, could they help other schools, how do they start, etc, just stop trying to be 'better' than others because the others suck, basically.

 

[Vrotappel]

The coulda woulda shoulda argument could apply anywhere, people didn't have to come to Africa, they could have fought over their own finite resources up North and Europe also would have been a very different continent today. I get your point tho, things happened, they're done.

The slave trade is happening in very many countries, human trafficking is still a huge problem - all countries have their history.

Applying today's morality to 400 years ago... Does not work.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Its release did not follow our correct internal vetting processes and steps have been put in place to ensure that, going forward, relevant checks and balances are thoroughly duly performed.

Wait, someone didn't proofread a memo issued by the CEO? Secretary, please.

 

[Bewlen]

I was actually trying to find some meaningful numbers haven't been useful, I'm also not sure if I'm using the right phrasing, I'll continue looking.

Cool

I don't think it's unfair to assume people's subjective opinion of competent differs? I have been in various companies, multiple interviews and worked with a lot of HR personal - I know the kinds of conversations people have and they're always unique. I have great experience and disgusting experiences in both.

Happy to differ on this. I still believe the most competent translates into increased profit (the ultimate aim to business). This cannot be viewed through a color lens, sorry. An educated white person and an educated black person should have the same comptency, and if they don't, stop trying to define the answer by skin color.

I agree, it's hard to get jobs if there are no jobs - it's just as hard to get jobs if jobs are tailored to be available to only 30% of the population.

How do you get to "30% of the population"? I think you are being disingenuous. A thriving economy will have a plethora of entry-level jobs available, and the market will dictate that the remuneration will enable the travelling component. Sorry, I cannot agree with you on this one. You are blaming the wrong side of the coin.

 

[Bewlen]

It's clear, I'm not here to teach you unless you start paying me

Nope, I didn't understand your post either as sense was not made there, sorry bud.

 

[Gyre]

Cool


Happy to differ on this. I still believe the most competent translates into increased profit (the ultimate aim to business). This cannot be viewed through a color lens, sorry. An educated white person and an educated black person should have the same comptency, and if they don't, stop trying to define the answer by skin color.


How do you get to "30% of the population"? I think you are being disingenuous. A thriving economy will have a plethora of entry-level jobs available, and the market will dictate that the remuneration will enable the travelling component. Sorry, I cannot agree with you on this one. You are blaming the wrong side of the coin.

This isn't a "thriving economy" which is why we have BEE in the first place, your example seems to refer to an ideal state? BEE is the stinky plaster over a major gash.

If a black person and a white person have the same competency, what should the business owner look at next? The long-term benefits? The person's character? Their age?

 

[Fulcrum29]

What did you guys do now?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581578828291330048

The Dischem letter has elicited high emotions. Sadly this has resulted in blatant aggression towards Jewish South Africans. We condemn these vile comments in the strongest terms.

 

[Harmonic]

The coulda woulda shoulda argument could apply anywhere, people didn't have to come to Africa, they could have fought over their own finite resources up North and Europe also would have been a very different continent today. I get your point tho, things happened, they're done.

The slave trade is happening in very many countries, human trafficking is still a huge problem - all countries have their history.

If you believe that Africa is the birthplace of man, surely we all have a place in it? Technically speaking, and if you follow this idea to conclusion, Europeans are just Africans returning home. Same with Asians, Indians etc

 

[Harmonic]

This isn't a "thriving economy" which is why we have BEE in the first place, your example seems to refer to an ideal state? BEE is the stinky plaster over a major gash.

If a black person and a white person have the same competency, what should the business owner look at next? The long-term benefits? The person's character? Their age?

No. We have a terrible economy due to things like BEE. Not the other way around

 

[wingnut771]

This isn't a "thriving economy" which is why we have BEE in the first place, your example seems to refer to an ideal state? BEE is the stinky plaster over a major gash.

If a black person and a white person have the same competency, what should the business owner look at next? The long-term benefits? The person's character? Their age?

It doesn't reflect up to 2022 but I'm sure the numbers are terrible.

 

[TheChamp]

Wait, someone didn't proofread a memo issued by the CEO? Secretary, please.

Clearly the guy runs the company like his household, we were just lucky enough to get a peek of what happens behind the scenes.

 

[rietrot]

No consequences for the Jewish CEO who penned it... he is the boss...

It was probably just an accident. You know these things happen.

 

[Bewlen]

This isn't a "thriving economy" which is why we have BEE in the first place, your example seems to refer to an ideal state? BEE is the stinky plaster over a major gash.

40% unemployment (expanded definition). That number is the highest in the world. Do you think the current policies are working?

I was being generous with the term "thriving". We just need a "normal economy", not even "thriving"! Here's a link to international figures on unemployment. Note, the average is 8.09% unemployment. Isn't that astounding? The "major gash" will only keep getting worse, because the ideology will keep it there. If the ideology is changed - so the ANC removed from power, and economically mature government is selected by the citizenry - this country will thrive.

If a black person and a white person have the same competency, what should the business owner look at next? The long-term benefits? The person's character? Their age?

"Same competency" I can deal with, trust me. And that's what the law/policy started out as saying. (sidenote: this caused white people to invest heavily in further education, how ironic!) Then the drift started. How far are we removed from that now? Quotas are legislated, with penalties up to 10% of turnover. And the recently passed legislation will give the minister power to unilaterally intervene in any sector and in any manner he deems fit. The question of "same competency" has been legislated away, and literally turned into discrimination according to skin color. Much like during the evil regime of apartheid. But this time, luckily just different colors, so it's all good, hey?