Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[RedViking]

Doesn't that mean the taxpayers get to say what happens to the non-tax payers?

What needs to happen is that the generation with die-hard loyalty to the ANC need to die off and we need to educate/support the younger generation as much as we can to make the right decisions. Voting is a human right and nobody will give up that right, especially since people have not had that right for years under Apartheid.

The non tax payers do not realise what they are doing to themselves, nevermind the rest who are slaves to their mindsets. Tax payers will be able to make decisions that will see this country flourish and the poor set free from extreme poverty.

 

[wingnut771]

Doesn't that mean the taxpayers get to say what happens to the non-tax payers?

What needs to happen is that the generation with die-hard loyalty to the ANC need to die off and we need to educate/support the younger generation as much as we can to make the right decisions. Voting is a human right and nobody will give up that right, especially since people have not had that right for years under Apartheid.

Didn't they vote in the homelands during apartheid?

 

[Ponderer]

FTFY - I think you'd find many people support constructive welfare that enables people to help themselves, instead of giving people nothing in the form of free grants

And exactly how are you going to implement this upliftment discrimination?
On what basis does who get to decide who should be uplifted advantaged?

 

[RedViking]

Voting is a human right and nobody will give up that right, especially since people have not had that right for years under Apartheid.

Well, hypothetically speaking, non tax payers can still vote, but those votes may not influence national decisions.

They may vote for decisions affecting only a small area in their community, it may not affect a whole city or town.

Political leaders may still be chosen to serve a bigger area, but those leaders must meet the criteria and tasks set out by national government (elected by the tax payers). Should they fail, national government takes over until the next local voting season. Imprisonment is also an option for leaders who failed to meet the needs of the people and instead only inriched themselves. All their business, and direct family business must be sold and the money given towards funding for the local area during national government rule.

Giving a smaller area of responsibility will see them changing their thinking as they will be able to see the progress in neighbouring areas. Etc. Etc.

Hypothetically speaking.

 

[TheChamp]

Didn't they vote in the homelands during apartheid?

No they did not, our great leaders were bestowed on us by the benevolent National Party.

But just to hear your point, what if they were allowed to vote?

 

[Moosedrool]

How would it be more efficient if they still hire on the basis of the colour of your skin instead of the content of your character? It takes 12 years to go through the school system. So we have had 2 cycles and half way through the 3rd of having equal opportunity.

The argument is that they didn't have equal opportunity. Which is actually true in most cases. The issue is you needed to come from a wealthier background to receive a decent education. This is what sociology students call privilege. And I get that. I just don't see how having privilege is a sin or should be shunned. Rich people and ANC ministers' kids have way more privilege than what I had. The irony is in many cases it's not necessarily a good thing to have that level of a wealthy upbringing because they can grow up to value the efforts for money less.

Sure I had the privilege to go to a normal school but if you really want to wind the clock back to see the issues, many older generation white people also didn't get their GEDs and many of those would've started working in pretty cruddy jobs but kept up in order to progress their careers and send their kids to school etc...

Dividing it into a racial thing will always cause unfair discrimination. Collectivising and pulling a statistic doesn't account for individual experiences. And discrimination happens to the individual.

 

[wingnut771]

No they did not, our great leaders were bestowed on us by the benevolent National Party.

But just to hear your point, what if they were allowed to vote?

I see it was only in the 70's:

History of elections in South Africa | South African History Online

www.sahistory.org.za

 

[Gyre]

Didn't they vote in the homelands during apartheid?

For the royalty?

 

[Phylax]

Doesn't that mean the taxpayers get to say what happens to the non-tax payers?

What needs to happen is that the generation with die-hard loyalty to the ANC need to die off and we need to educate/support the younger generation as much as we can to make the right decisions. Voting is a human right and nobody will give up that right, especially since people have not had that right for years under Apartheid.

Who are these people who did not have a right to vote for years under Apartheid?

 

[TheChamp]

Who are these people who did not have a right to vote for years under Apartheid?

Did apartheid even happen?

 

[Phylax]

No they did not, our great leaders were bestowed on us by the benevolent National Party.

But just to hear your point, what if they were allowed to vote?

The NP government also bestowed billions of Rands to the former Bantustans. This was one of the main reason why South Africa went bankrupt during the 80's.

 

[Academic]

Did apartheid even happen?

See former Sowetan editor's arguments in the BusinessDay today. It seems as if racism is OK, the requirement is just that the 'right' group must be the racists. The victims of their racism must not be "fragile."

 

[TheChamp]

I see it was only in the 70's:
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History of elections in South Africa | South African History Online

www.sahistory.org.za

Don't believe the hype, no elections ever took place there, the leaders were chosen by the national party and they were allowed to reign Supreme until there was a coup or their masters got tired of them and wanted to put someone else in charge. There is a very good reason why no one was ever voted out.

 

[TheChamp]

The NP government also bestowed billions of Rands to the former Bantustans. This was one of the main reason why South Africa went bankrupt during the 80's.

Oh yawn, create a problem and then blame it as the cause of the problem, why did they have to have Bantustans in the first place?

 

[Phylax]

Did apartheid even happen?

It did happen, but it was hardly a crime against humanity or as evil as you claim it to be.

 

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[Mista_Mobsta]

The only manner in which we can "fix" SA is to do what Singapore did - combat corruption with utmost fervor! SA needs anti-corrupt policies and effective policing of policies to ensure that politicians have to think twice before engaging in any corrupt behavior. I don't think we can comprehend the damage that p03s Zuma did to SA's police and NPA during his reign.

 

[Gyre]

It did happen, but it was hardly a crime against humanity or as evil as you claim it to be.

The same thought process applies to BEE?

I mean people are whinging about not having opportunities at companies because of job ads, imagine the squealing if they were told to move or told who they are allowed to have relationships with.

 

[Gyre]

The only manner in which we can "fix" SA is to do what Singapore did - combat corruption with utmost fervor! SA needs anti-corrupt policies and effective policing of policies to ensure that politicians have to think twice before engaging in any corrupt behavior. I don't think we can comprehend the damage that p03s Zuma did to SA's police and NPA during his reign.

Absolutely this.