Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[Moosedrool]

It did happen, but it was hardly a crime against humanity or as evil as you claim it to be.

Yeah no. Look it wasn't the holocaust but it was institutionalised racial segregation. Pretty much a crime against humanity.

 

[Phylax]

Oh yawn, create a problem and then blame it as the cause of the problem, why did they have to have Bantustans in the first place?

Erm...they did not "have" the Bantustans, the Bantustans existed long before Apartheid.

The Bantustans were and is traditional settled land, it still exists today.

This is where the diffirent black tribes settled. South Africa is where the diffirent white tribes settled.

The NP government had no obligation towards the Bantustans or the people living there, but they believed in being good and helping neigbours, but as we all know, no good deed goes unpunished...

 

[Gyre]

And exactly how are you going to implement this upliftment discrimination?
On what basis does who get to decide who should be uplifted advantaged?

By actual bank records and income based decisions. The poor can't stay poor, the job is to let there be as little poor people as possible, or at very least raise the bar of what being "poor" is.

 

[TheChamp]

It did happen, but it was hardly a crime against humanity or as evil as you claim it to be.

Yeah, it truly wasn't a big deal, that's why I am so taken aback by all the snowflakes moaning day in and day out about AA and BEE, I mean just imagine how insignificant that is in the greater scheme of the effects of apartheid.

 

[Phylax]

Yeah no. Look it wasn't the holocaust but it was institutionalised racial segregation. Pretty much a crime against humanity.

"Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization. It manifests as discrimination in areas such as criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, education, and political representation."

Then the ANC government is also commiting crimes against humanity...

 

[TheChamp]

Erm...they did not "have" the Bantustans, the Bantustans existed long before Apartheid.

The Bantustans were and is traditional settled land, it still exists today.

This is where the diffirent black tribes settled. South Africa is where the diffirent white tribes settled.

The NP government had no obligation towards the Bantustans or the people living there, but they believed in being good and helping neigbours, but as we all know, no good deed goes unpunished...

It's getting even more ridiculous the more you try reasonably explain it.

 

[Phylax]

It's getting even more ridiculous the more you try reasonably explain it.

I'm sorry if basic South African history is too much for you to handle.

 

[surface]

"Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization. It manifests as discrimination in areas such as criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, education, and political representation."

Then the ANC government is also commiting crimes against humanity...

sure, what are you going to do about it? Run to Perth ? I dare you

 

[mojoman]

sure, what are you going to do about it? I dare you. Run to Perth ?

Lol..good one...

 

[Moosedrool]

"Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded in the laws and regulations of a society or an organization. It manifests as discrimination in areas such as criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, education, and political representation."

Then the ANC government is also commiting crimes against humanity...

Yeah I believe BEE laws are but a few pages back I also mention they're vastly different policies. Each driven with race in mind which is bad. Not even @Cheer is pro BEE he's just pro uplifting poor people regardless of race.

BEE is what happens when you look at the statistics and see the percentage of black poor people vs white. It is there and it is the net effect of our history. But the problem is BEE enables black people not poor people and discriminates against white people and not necessarily people who benefitted anything from segregation.

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

Erm...they did not "have" the Bantustans, the Bantustans existed long before Apartheid.

The Bantustans were and is traditional settled land, it still exists today.

This is where the diffirent black tribes settled. South Africa is where the diffirent white tribes settled.

The NP government had no obligation towards the Bantustans or the people living there, but they believed in being good and helping neigbours, but as we all know, no good deed goes unpunished...

Just want to ask that you read this : Bantustan & Homelands

Yes the homelands were subsidised by the NP but the designated homelands and borders were drawn up exclusively by people who didn't understand the immense cultural & humanitarian ramifications of the homelands. I really want to people to read this book to really understand the true history of SA! Really helps to remove the "he said, she said" nonsense that makes the rounds surrounding SA and the history of apartheid!

 

[grok]

Let's give them three times the apartheid period just to compensate for the fact that they don't have the benefit of enforcing apartheid that the NP had, deal?

So, roughly the same mechanism that necessitates 3x the amount of ministers per capita under black government than international best practice? Almost like the chefs rule that states when your sauce is weak, you need a lot more of it to flavor the broth?

 

[TheChamp]

So, roughly the same mechanism that necessitates 3x the amount of ministers per capita under black government than international best practice? Almost like the chefs rule that states when your sauce is weak, you need a lot more of it to flavor the broth?

What do you suggest? 6 times more just to cater for the incompetence?

 

[porchrat]

Yeah I believe BEE laws are but a few pages back I also mention they're vastly different policies. Each driven with race in mind which is bad. Not even @Cheer is pro BEE he's just pro uplifting poor people regardless of race.

BEE is what happens when you look at the statistics and see the percentage of black poor people vs white. It is there and it is the net effect of our history. But the problem is BEE enables black people not poor people and discriminates against white people and not necessarily people who benefitted anything from segregation.

This is how I feel too.

I have no issue with programs to uplift the poor. In particular I'd be keen to see education opportunities. Empower the poor so they're not unemployable with no future. Do this regardless of race (the majority of those benefitting from this sort of program will naturally be black anyway, but there should be no racial aspect to it with regards to who qualifies).

Right now, as you say, BEE just gives opportunities to black people that are already extremely advantaged and don't need any help relative to the average South African. It's just abused by the elite to further their already incredible wealth.

 

[adrianx]

Doesn't the stupid POPI Act make it compulsory for websites in this country to allow users to remove their accounts? Dischem's backwards website doesn't. Shouldn't they be reported and forced to hire a Cuban to come and fix it for them?

A relative of mine has been having problems with their delivery service, probably for 12 months in a row now. It's the same story every month. Sorry mamma, you don't have repeat. Sorry mamma, we don't have your medical aid, Sorry, sorry, sorry.

 

[Phylax]

Just want to ask that you read this : Bantustan & Homelands

Yes the homelands were subsidised by the NP but the designated homelands and borders were drawn up exclusively by people who didn't understand the immense cultural & humanitarian ramifications of the homelands. I really want to people to read this book to really understand the true history of SA! Really helps to remove the "he said, she said" nonsense that makes the rounds surrounding SA and the history of apartheid!

I really and truly believe the NP government wanted to act in the best interests of the people living in these Bantstans.

Did it work out as intended, not at all.
But the NP government cannot take all the blame for this.

 

[wingnut771]

This is how I feel too.

I have no issue with programs to uplift the poor. In particular I'd be keen to see education opportunities. Empower the poor so they're not unemployable with no future. Do this regardless of race (the majority of those benefitting from this sort of program will naturally be black anyway, but there should be no racial aspect to it with regards to who qualifies).

Right now, as you say, BEE just gives opportunities to black people that are already extremely advantaged and don't need any help relative to the average South African. It's just abused by the elite to further their already incredible wealth.

Scrap social grants and put that money into the schools and make education free. Schools can make nutrient based meals for the jobless at home so they don't suffer from malnutrition, which has the added benefit of taking the strain off the health sector.

 

[wingnut771]

Just want to ask that you read this : Bantustan & Homelands

Yes the homelands were subsidised by the NP but the designated homelands and borders were drawn up exclusively by people who didn't understand the immense cultural & humanitarian ramifications of the homelands. I really want to people to read this book to really understand the true history of SA! Really helps to remove the "he said, she said" nonsense that makes the rounds surrounding SA and the history of apartheid!

I wonder why this book isn't part of the school syllabus?

 

[Mista_Mobsta]

I wonder why this book isn't part of the school syllabus?

We both know why - we can't have a populace that knows all the facts surrounding SA's history as educated voters aren't good for SA's political parties!

 

[porchrat]

Scrap social grants and put that money into the schools. Schools can make nutrient based meals for the jobless at home so they don't suffer from malnutrition, which has the added benefit of taking the strain off the health sector.

I also don't have a problem with some sort of social grant. Provided it's all strictly regulated like it is in places like Japan.

You get assigned a case worker and they ensure you're spending the funds effectively.

Provided you're not some old age pensioner, receiving the grant is also conditional upon you striving to improve your situation. i.e. you're attending some education or training program, you're actively job hunting etc.

Living on grants in perpetuity should never be something that's encouraged.

I believe it is the state's responsibility to help those that need it. I pay my taxes to keep my country functioning, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be protected if/when I need it.