Dis-Chem not allowed to hire anymore white people for now

[TheChamp]

I am genuinely interested if you care to share…

No, not at all, it's a good waste of precious time.

 

[Phylax]

It's simple, it's more than just a job, it's about the opportunities that the job comes with, it's an opportunity to send your children to school and put them through university, it's an opportunity to assist a family member to get that security guard training and get a job, an opportunity to help a family member get a driver's license to create more opportunities for themselves.

It is an opportunity to build or buy a house to live in, it is an opportunity to send money home so that your younger brothers and sisters are not preoccupied with hunger and can concentrate on their schooling, it's a opportunity to give a family member a place to sleep when they come for that interview in the big city, it's an opportunity to start a business and be in a position to employ someone, it's an opportunity to plough something back into your community.

There are just too many to mention but I hope you get the idea of the difference one job can do, not only in the life of the recipient but the life of many other people. There is a very good reason why the 10% is generally in a much better position economically than the 90%, it is exactly the opportunities I am talking about.

And only black people must be afforded these opportunities in your New South Africa?

And please do tell what is this very good reason why the 10% is generally in a much better position economically than the 90%.

 

[Gyre]

And only black people must be afforded these opportunities in your New South Africa?

And please do tell what is this very good reason why the 10% is generally in a much better position economically than the 90%.

White privilege™

 

[TheChamp]

But still Eskom wanted to get rid of white people to make up stats. So most of skills get removed, and the rest can't cope. Instead of fixing it, government just say "Keep AA going" hence our power issues.

The corruption is total other problem.... I don't disagree there. Government keeps BEE contracts so that certain people can score from electricity. We all have to pay for them...

So where exactly did you see the pattern in my posts where I implied the ANC has nothing to do with Eskom collapse and it was all white people's fault? I thought we were having a very civil conversation and you threw that in there, it totally took the wind out of my sails.

 

[Neuk_]

No, not at all, it's a good waste of precious time.

A pity.

 

[TheChamp]

And only black people must be afforded these opportunities in your New South Africa?

And please do tell what is this very good reason why the 10% is generally in a much better position economically than the 90%.

Please let's not waste each other's time, you are the guy who thinks there was nothing wrong with apartheid, there is absolutely no point in explaining anything to you.

 

[RonSwanson]

But why did AdR have to get approval to accept a list of white engineers ? Only when they got exception then he accepted the list? The quotas was in their way to appoint white people.

Eskom can’t bring back the skills to stop load-shedding — here’s why

Eskom CEO André de Ruyter has said that “various transformation considerations” is one of the reasons they can’t simply accept the offer of retired engineers to come back and work for free.

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So whites get cut to make space for non whites? Not at all adding to the issues at Eskom. So let all the skilled people go, so we can match numbers. So most of your skilled work force left, a few guys were trained but not enough to end load shedding.

I do see a pattern when you post. I see it in the office when people talk. It's never the cadres fault. White people control the ANC cadres etc. Its always someone else fault. It's not Zuma... he is setup. Always an excuse.

Just a reminder that the rout of the competent and skilled white people at Eskom happened long before 2015, I know for a fact that senior managers were being "worked out" in 2000/1.

 

[Ponderer]

@TheChamp
I see you ignored my post.
I will again post it.

Is AA and BEE racist.
Note that I am not asking whether or not it should be implemented, I am asking if it (AA and BEE) is racist.
I would appreciate a yes or no answer, and not some or other long-winded non-answer.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yes.

Maybe they have the ability and are employable?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

If you recall Apartheid, it was 5% protecting themselves from the 95%.

Incorrect.

Under apartheid:

Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

The black population grew from 8 million to 27 million.

56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.

 

[Phylax]

If that was the case then we wouldn't have a single white person employed in the country.

Dude, white people are employed because of Apartheid mos?

Everything we own, achieved or do was giving, for free and on a silver plate to us by the Apartheid government.

My education, house, car, job, experience and even my wife was given to me by the Apartheid government.
I was only able to work and advance in my career because of Apartheid and the same goes for every single white person in South Africa, young and old!

My 8 year old child, according to you, must "take in on the chin" and accept that everything she owns and will ever achieve is because of Apartheid. She will not achieve it through her own effort but because Apartheid gave it to her.

When she applies for a job, she must understand that because Apartheid afforded her all the these opportunities, she will have to make way for a black person, even if that person is less qualified or suited for the position.

That is why, according to you, the current government needs to implement race based laws to that discriminates against my white child, so that black people also can get all these opportunities that she already received through Apartheid.

 

[Howdy]

Just a reminder that the rout of the competent and skilled white people at Eskom happened long before 2015, I know for a fact that senior managers were being "worked out" in 2000/1.

Just oiling the wheels, squeaky wheels ...

That was about the same time the government were told they'd urgently have to start looking at building more power stations at the new current demand rate. The report was file-13'ed.

Then witous had the opportunity to fix Eishkom, the crown jewel of BEE? Nope, we started hiring (not quite) locals in 2006.

'Tyrone': 'And that kind of ties into all these things about not having a job profile and all those things. They just wanted you to come in and fill those numbers, and we didn't realise that. But now, if you go into the Eskom books we are counted as 'black' South Africans, or as locals. Whereas we are not - we don't qualify for anything.'We asked empowerment expert Dijon de Jager whether 'black' expatriates can qualify for BEE.

Dijon de Jager (MD Mpower Ratings): 'These 'black' people have to show that they are South African citizens, by birth or by descent or by naturalisation provided they became citizens prior to the date of the Constitution which became effective or commenced in 1994.'

'Grace': 'They are telling me that I was hired as local. That was not my intention. If they told me this before I got the job, I wouldn't have come. Because my intention was not to come here as a local South African, because first of all I'm not a South African and even if I want to be a South African and they won't let me be a South African - I'm only a South African at Eskom, because Eskom wants me to be local. Not us, just Eskom.'

Eskom has appointed black foreigners to meet affirmative action targets.

Eskom Expats http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/Article.aspx?Id=3819&ShowId=1 Four years ago South Africans were plunged into an energy crisis. Rolling blackouts became a stark indication of how Eskom had failed to plan for a rapidly developing economy and how the brain drain had taken...

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Eishkom and ANC are equally to blame.

Rinse and repeat this recipe for success. Currently we have water issues? People were worked out as well, Turton being an example.

 

[Phylax]

Please let's not waste each other's time, you are the guy who thinks there was nothing wrong with apartheid, there is absolutely no point in explaining anything to you.

There were lots wrong with Apartheid, why else did it fail?

It's clear you don't understand my stance on Apartheid...but it's kinda rich coming from someone who finds no problem with and are even defending race based discrimination aka racism, go figure!

I'm against all kinds and forms of racism, even the racism during Apartheid.

You, however, support current discrimination and racism that must somehow fix historical racism and discrimination, how dumb!

I will say it again....I'm against any and all types and forms of racism and discrimination whether it came from the Apartheid government or the ANC government.

There is no such thing is "positive discrimination" as being discriminated against has no positives afaik.

 

[vigras rojara]

Dude, white people are employed because of Apartheid mos?

Everything we own, achieved or do was giving, for free and on a silver plate to us by the Apartheid government.

My education, house, car, job, experience and even my wife was given to me by the Apartheid government.
I was only able to work and advance in my career because of Apartheid and the same goes for every single white person in South Africa, young and old!

My 8 year old child, according to you, must "take in on the chin" and accept that everything she owns and will ever achieve is because of Apartheid. She will not achieve it through her own effort but because Apartheid gave it to her.

When she applies for a job, she must understand that because Apartheid afforded her all the these opportunities, she will have to make way for a black person, even if that person is less qualified or suited for the position.

That is why, according to you, the current government needs to implement race based laws to that discriminates against my white child, so that black people also can get all these opportunities that she already received through Apartheid.

So basically what you're saying is that AA benefits blacks, but apartheid didn't benefit whites?

Lol.

 

[Phylax]

So basically what you're saying is that AA benefits blacks, but apartheid didn't benefit whites?

Lol.

What I'm saying is that two wrongs does not make a right.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yes, we can probably go at it all day, we will never agree, I can totally see the point why the redress to race based oppression could be race based.

Only because you are the one being advantaged...

 

[Gyre]

Incorrect.

Under apartheid:

Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

The black population grew from 8 million to 27 million.

56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.

You've posted this twice before, word for word. It's like you keep a text file on your desktop or something.

Where is the source of this?

 

[GhostSixFour]

Yesterday you posted this:

Yet, after 30 years and the biggest per capita education budget in the world, schools still have pit toilets.

I asked you this?

The what now? Is this for real? In like dollar terms?

And I still don't see a response. Do you have any data backing this up? Cause I sure as hell can't find anything? Best I could find is this https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ZAF/south-africa/education-spending and that shows that even Namibia and Belize is outspending SA.

Incorrect.

Under apartheid:

Mandela managed to get a lawyers degree and many other blacks like Steve Biko qualified professionally.

Ten black Universities were built during Apartheid.

The black education budget was increased by 30% every year.

65% Of black South African children were at school, compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

71% Of black adults in South Africa could read and write, compared to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%.

15 new classrooms were built for blacks, every working day, every year.

The black population grew from 8 million to 27 million.

56% Of the annual budget was spent on blacks.

Black living standards rose by 5.4% per year.

Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses, 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market.

There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. And more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

Only blacks were allowed to use Baragwanath Hospital, the then biggest state of the art hospital in the world, with 3200 beds and at its peak had almost 8000 staff and 23 operation theaters.

And seeing as you seemingly pulled the other numbers out of thin air - this makes me doubt any numbers you post, so please supply your source?

 

[TelkomUseless]

So where exactly did you see the pattern in my posts where I implied the ANC has nothing to do with Eskom collapse and it was all white people's fault? I thought we were having a very civil conversation and you threw that in there, it totally took the wind out of my sails.

You took my comment wrong , Sorry about that. I should have clarified.

I have seen on this forum and in real live that when AA, BEE , ANC cadres get the bypass card. It's never their fault. JZ is prosecuted unfairly, ANC is controlled by white people etc. There is always an excuse for bad decisions on ANC/Government. I have posted articles showing discrimation against whites causing issues etc at Eskom, but you just say "nah.. it's corruption only" excusing government policies.

Corruption is a huge problem in Eskom. No doubt.

The other leg of the issue [white] engineers have been reduced to get in line with quotes set by government. Instead of keeping people, they actually had to get people out (see news article posted). Yet you just say it's corruption, excusing government racist policies. People with skills left, there are too few left with skills to maintain the systems.

edit: Just to clarify. We ALL need jobs, we ALL need security ... everyone wants to make a living and chill. Current government is hell bent on destroying SA.

 

[TheChamp]

You took my comment wrong , Sorry about that. I should have clarified.

I have seen on this forum and in real live that when AA, BEE , ANC cadres get the bypass card. It's never their fault. JZ is prosecuted unfairly, ANC is controlled by white people etc. There is always an excuse for bad decisions on ANC/Government. I have posted articles showing discrimation against whites causing issues etc at Eskom, but you just say "nah.. it's corruption only" excusing government policies.

Corruption is a huge problem in Eskom. No doubt.

The other leg of the issue [white] engineers have been reduced to make get in line with quotes set by government. Instead of keeping people, they actually had to get people out (see news article posted). Yet you just say it's corruption, excusing government racist policies.

I have stated multiple times why I say AA is not what caused Eskom's collapse, repeating that now is just going around in circles. Their flawed implementation of AA might have affected them negatively but it is not what led to their collapse.