Discovery Vitality in 2016

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So, I'm struggling to work out what their stance is on Suunto and TomTom devices. I have a Suunto Ambit3 Sport, and emails sent to me say I need to link it to MapMyFitness before 18th of March (which I've done). But reading between the lines, they say that it won't be supported after 2 April (so whats the point of linking to MapMyFitness?). Then they say if I have a Suunto linked to MapMyFitness, I will continue to receive points until(?) they succeed in working with Suunto for a solution?

Does anyone have clarity - Discovery themselves obviously haven't helped.
 
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Anyone know where I can see a visual of your gym booster? I know I've activated it, and can see that it's active, but for the life of me, can't find anywhere to track it or anything like that, app or website.
 
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Sysem said:
So, I'm struggling to work out what their stance is on Suunto and TomTom devices. I have a Suunto Ambit3 Sport, and emails sent to me say I need to link it to MapMyFitness before 18th of March (which I've done). But reading between the lines, they say that it won't be supported after 2 April (so whats the point of linking to MapMyFitness?). Then they say if I have a Suunto linked to MapMyFitness, I will continue to receive points until(?) they succeed in working with Suunto for a solution?

Does anyone have clarity - Discovery themselves obviously haven't helped.
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They sent me the following email:
"The data currently recorded by your SUUNTO device is in no way compromised or inaccurate and together with SUUNTO, we are working on a new, better-quality integration and we hope to have this in place in the coming months. In the interim, while no new SUUNTO devices can be linked to Vitality through MapMyFitness after 18 March 2016, we have recognised you as an early adopter and we’ll continue to award you Vitality points for your SUUNTO activity (via MapMyFitness) until the end of June 2016. Given the intricacies of this system integration, we cannot commit to timelines but will keep you informed closer to the time."
 
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Is it? All they say, is its a heart rate monitor strap, that you can use with an app on your phone.
My best guess is, its a Polar H6 or H7 strap combined with the Polar Beat app. You losing money on that solution if you ask me.
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Got the mail yesterday and its a H7. So its a waste of money since a Charge cost 2.6k now.
 
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...we have recognised you as an early adopter and we’ll continue to award you Vitality points for your SUUNTO activity (via MapMyFitness) until the end of June 2016. Given the intricacies of this system integration, we cannot commit to timelines but will keep you informed closer to the time."
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In other words, if they don't find 'fix' by end of June 2016, they will stop supporting Suunto. That is what I read there. Very well written, as it keeps the door open for Discovery to do what they want to.
 
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From this week to make up for the 90% of point's i'm losing in race events I will be swiping in to gym daily(I live right opposite the gym).. thats 700 points a week(400-500 i'd normally not get) due to me gaming the system as a result of the changes.

PS. Watch them cap this at 3x a week max :whistling:
 
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abudabi said:
Are you saying that you used flow.polar.com during your exercise session to get your overall avg HR (and not just the timed interval).. even before you had completed your session ?
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No. That was looking at the data after the fact to see if what I heard during the exercise session is what I should have expected.
 
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hj2k_x said:
Because it is allegedly inaccurate?

That sucks.
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To be fair, all wrist-mounted HR devices are pretty inaccurate. The Apple watch is also fairly inaccurate, but I'm guessing its a proper money spinner for Discovery, so they will keep supporting it.
 
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AntennaMan said:
To be fair, all wrist-mounted HR devices are pretty inaccurate. The Apple watch is also fairly inaccurate, but I'm guessing its a proper money spinner for Discovery, so they will keep supporting it.
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Yup :(
 
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They sent me the following email:
"The data currently recorded by your SUUNTO device is in no way compromised or inaccurate and together with SUUNTO, we are working on a new, better-quality integration and we hope to have this in place in the coming months. In the interim, while no new SUUNTO devices can be linked to Vitality through MapMyFitness after 18 March 2016, we have recognised you as an early adopter and we’ll continue to award you Vitality points for your SUUNTO activity (via MapMyFitness) until the end of June 2016. Given the intricacies of this system integration, we cannot commit to timelines but will keep you informed closer to the time."
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Thats my confusion - so because I'm an "early adopter", I can to reap the benefits for an extra...3 months... Thanks, I guess?

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In other words, if they don't find 'fix' by end of June 2016, they will stop supporting Suunto. That is what I read there. Very well written, as it keeps the door open for Discovery to do what they want to.
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This is the clarity I want. Is it so much to ask for? Damn Discovery...
 
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Tinuva said:
No kidding mr Joker. Now you can do that, but not from 2 April 2016.
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Mr Elite Reverse Engineer - the watch has a similar file which is just as accessible. It is incredibly easy to fake like I stated (where do you get the Joker thing from and why so defensive?). I am also not convinced that discovery will be able to differentiate between a file upload and watch sync (a manual entry of distance is a different story) as Garmin keeps this in place to support the legacy devices. But time will tell - don't really care either way.

From a nike+ device exporting files to Connect:
<Creator xsi:type="Device_t">
<Name>Unknown</Name>
<ProductID>1</ProductID>
<Version>
<VersionMajor>16</VersionMajor>
<VersionMinor>4</VersionMinor>
<BuildMajor>0</BuildMajor>
<BuildMinor>3</BuildMinor>
</Version>
</Creator>

From a Garmin Fenix 3 (somehow incorrectly reporting the device name):
<Creator xsi:type="Device_t">
<Name>Unknown</Name>
<ProductID>1</ProductID>
<Version>
<VersionMajor>6</VersionMajor>
<VersionMinor>80</VersionMinor>
<BuildMajor>0</BuildMajor>
<BuildMinor>0</BuildMinor>
</Version>
</Creator>
Do you think that Garmin or discovery (not that they receive this info) will be brave enough to classify it based on a version number that can be altered in notepad anyway?
Garmin connect even shows it as coming from an unknown Garmin watch - despite it being a Nike+ device. And you want to do USB sniffing and stuff. lol

All this elite reverse engineering and calling people "Mr Joker" - lol
 
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Mr Elite Reverse Engineer - the watch has a similar file which is just as accessible. It is incredibly easy to fake like I stated (where do you get the Joker thing from and why so defensive?). I am also not convinced that discovery will be able to differentiate between a file upload and watch sync (a manual entry of distance is a different story) as Garmin keeps this in place to support the legacy devices. But time will tell - don't really care either way.
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Mr Joker is from your MyBB username, which is seen as a banned word when I type. Even the quoted part blocks your name out.
Dont think I was defensive, just a bit annoyed that you told me something super obvious.
 
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Sysem said:
Thats my confusion - so because I'm an "early adopter", I can to reap the benefits for an extra...3 months... Thanks, I guess?



This is the clarity I want. Is it so much to ask for? Damn Discovery...
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I guess the only thing we can do is wait and hope Discovery and Suunto come up with an integration solution that satisfies Discovery's requirements for legitimate exercise data. I am sure Suunto will cooperate, else they will lose a lot of future customer's who will be forced to go with Garmin devices instead.
 
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They sent me the following email:
"The data currently recorded by your SUUNTO device is in no way compromised or inaccurate and together with SUUNTO, we are working on a new, better-quality integration and we hope to have this in place in the coming months. In the interim, while no new SUUNTO devices can be linked to Vitality through MapMyFitness after 18 March 2016, we have recognised you as an early adopter and we’ll continue to award you Vitality points for your SUUNTO activity (via MapMyFitness) until the end of June 2016. Given the intricacies of this system integration, we cannot commit to timelines but will keep you informed closer to the time."
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creeper said:
In other words, if they don't find 'fix' by end of June 2016, they will stop supporting Suunto. That is what I read there. Very well written, as it keeps the door open for Discovery to do what they want to.
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gifs said:
I guess the only thing we can do is wait and hope Discovery and Suunto come up with an integration solution that satisfies Discovery's requirements for legitimate exercise data. I am sure Suunto will cooperate, else they will lose a lot of future customer's who will be forced to go with Garmin devices instead.
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Yeah, thats what I'm hoping.
 
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Tinuva said:
...you told me something super obvious
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It is not obvious if you think you have to do elite reverse engineering to get there. You do NOT need to do ANYTHING. Not EVEN notepad. If you leave the creator nodes (shown in my edited comment) out of the TCX (from any device) file upload (The GPX files don't even have it!) - it still shows it coming from an unknown garmin device. Clearly you do not know about how obvious it really is (or how these files work)!
 
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******99 said:
It is not obvious if you think you have to do elite reverse engineering to get there. You do NOT need to do ANYTHING. Not EVEN notepad. If you leave the creator nodes (shown in my edited comment) out of the TCX (from any device) file upload (The GPX files don't even have it!) - it still shows it coming from an unknown garmin device. Clearly you do not know about how obvious it really is (or how these files work)!
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Ok Mr Joker. If you say so. Not wasting my time further on this. You upload your files post 2 April and tell me if it still works.
 
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Tinuva said:
Ok Mr Joker. If you say so. Not wasting my time further on this. You upload your files post 2 April and tell me if it still works.
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At least I saved you from reverse engineering something unnecessarily - or humble bragging about being able to do it.

I never said it would - but it might. You mad now and resorting to insults. Sorry.
 
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