Discovery Vitality in 2016

[Tinuva]

Nope neither.

I know about uploading files right now to get points, can generate them myself if I really wanted to. Would never reverse engineer it right now. However, after 2 April it is a most probably a different story, at which point those file uploads will not work anymore. That is also obvious, however it seems that was not obvious to you. The reverse engineering only come in after 2 April, when those file uploads will cease to work to get points. Again, you completely missed that part. So that is why you are annoying me. To think I am THAT stupid to not know about uploading files, the difference is, I already looked further into the future, not being worried about how easy it can be right now. See, that is exactly what Discovery wants to stop on 2 April, and my point was, they will not stop the serious people, who can reverse engineer (and thats over qualifying it, its too easy imho) the software and keep on uploading fake data that seems to be from the original devices.

ps. if your device sync the data to garmin, it doesnt show up as an unknown device.

 

[asshat99]

ps. if your device sync the data to garmin, it doesn't show up as an unknown device.

Wrong - I gave an example of a Fenix 3 mis-reporting but still working. Another Fenix 3 shows correctly. You are that stupid because I explained at length that it still shows as a garmin device even if there is no identification of the device! You clearly did not know about the files if you think you have to do any reverse engineering of the comms. I did not miss the part about the 2nd of April. I even repeatedly stated that I do not know for sure that it will keep on - but as I also stated, it is unlikely that they will block it because it seems identical to proper garmin devices.

Discovery will most likely accept anything that Garmin says is a device work out. Garmin does not currently (and probably cannot) differentiate between a Fenix 3 (their flagship watch) and an ancient nike+ watch in the general case. I don't see them doing anything about this - but maybe they will. The Garmin users will be outraged if they try and encrypt everything.

Sorry you are butthurt in being told that your elite reverse engineering will not actually achieve anything. No need to try and get aggressive with me. That is the basis of my argument. The files can be altered on watch before syncing by mounting it as a storage device. They are not encrypted. But no changes are necessary - and there is no clear way to change it even if it was necessary!

If you can be civil and stop pretending you are this elite hacker while not knowing about the files, I will gladly get back to you on 4th April (with a couple of work outs). I will send you the nike+ files and you can upload and enjoy a smoothie on me in the case it does work. I am most curious to see the extent to which vitality can detect fake/different device data. As other commentators have speculated, Discovery does not actually receive the full work out, just the summary (hence the problem with Strava and manual entry). This means they have to go with what Garmin is telling them. At the moment garmin is telling them that a nike+ file is fine. Garmin are unlikely to change it before April (there website is out of the early 2010s in style - and discovery users are a tiny fraction of their users - they will do nothing quickly). This means I suspect it might work.

 

[Tinuva]

Yup, you now just wasting my time, just repeating the same things over and over.

 

[asshat99]

Yup, you now just wasting my time, just repeating the same things over and over.

K - got back to reverse engineering then MR Hacker. Lol - so hostile - you think I am the one making the new rules or something.

 

[Tinuva]

Your first mistake was to think that I was actually doing it, I just said its still possible to go all the way if you really want to.

 

[Tinuva]

In other news, Polar responded to my request after 5 days, about adding average heart rate to the display while recording a workout. The suggestion at least got forwarded to the developers who will decide if it is worthwhile to add.

 

[asshat99]

Your first mistake was to think that I was actually doing it, I just said its still possible to go all the way if you really want to.

Your first mistake was to think that was necessary or that it would even help. Your second one was to get mad and defensive when hit by the facts.

 

[Tinuva]

Your first mistake was to think that was necessary or that it would even help. Your second one was to get mad and defensive when hit by the facts.

A little annoyed, not mad. I did realise you trolling mostly and wasting my time. Still you insist that it wont be necessary, yet no one has any proof until 2 April.

You no what they say about assumptions...

 

[abudabi]

In other news, Polar responded to my request after 5 days, about adding average heart rate to the display while recording a workout. The suggestion at least got forwarded to the developers who will decide if it is worthwhile to add.

I wonder what their dev methodology is? I hope they can get this out quickly.

Is your call closed or will you get an updated once dev decides?

 

[asshat99]

Still you insist that it wont be necessary, yet no one has any proof until 2 April.

You no what they say about assumptions...

I did not insist that. I said it might possibly continue to work after April 2 as there is little to suggest otherwise. Repeatedly. I even explained the logic behind my thinking. I have even explained how they could enforce garmin only devices. Repeatedly. You clearly missed that. You see why I need to keep saying the whole thing over and over. Hardcore hacker mad because he got logic'd. You are proper mad - not sure why tho- I think you have mistaken me for a Discovery rep or someone who is disagreeing that it is still going to be hyper easy to cheat.

Will let you know if it still works after April 4.

Few people can see the genius in someone who has offended them.

lol

 

[Tinuva]

I did not insist that. I said it might possibly continue to work after April 2 as there is little to suggest otherwise. Repeatedly. I even explained the logic behind my thinking. I have even explained how they could enforce garmin only devices. Repeatedly. You clearly missed that. You see why I need to keep saying the whole thing over and over. Hardcore hacker mad because he got logic'd. You are proper mad - not sure why tho- I think you have mistaken me for a Discovery rep or someone who is disagreeing that it is still going to be hyper easy to cheat.

Will let you know if it still works after April 4.

lol

You sure about that? You haven;t stopped explaining yourself yet.

At least you finally got to the same point, lets wait and see what works, dont work after 2 April.

 

[WesleyR]

Guys, seriously, you worse than 2 cats fighting over nothing, give it a break. Our luck Discovery will read this and then decide to boot Garmin devices too because of all this nonsense...

 

[asshat99]

You sure about that? You haven;t stopped explaining yourself yet.

At least you finally got to the same point, lets wait and see what works, dont work after 2 April.

After all those repeats and you still don't understand. My point really is not that complex. I will be happy to do it again for you. For an elite hacker you sure are slow. Will you be calm enough to interpret the results of my test by then though? Or will you think that means you need to reverse engineer everything instead of just looking at the Garmin XML-style (which you just learnt about) files?

Take the roid rage out on a discovery rep on facebook or something. Trying to be constructive and show how you can currently use any device like Nike+ (who was removed as a sync partner last year already - not April) or a new tomtom, suunto or any fitness app (who might be removed shortly) to still earn points through the use of file uploads (not manual entries). You could even use a car GPS on your runs (no heart rate tho) if you wanted. You could currently even use GPX files from other people or ones that are re-dated internally (cheating). You are too busy doing the arrogant hacker thing rather have an interesting chat about the implications of this - especially in terms of possible cheating or the likelihood of it continuing in April. Chill bra. We are all in the same boat here. #IamNOTDiscovery.

 

[Tinuva]

Have you read your own last few replies back to yourself?
And you telling me I must chill?

Must be a joke, because your point is moot.

 

[StrontiumDog]

a-hat please drop it... Mods are going to have to come in here and delete all back and forth posts.

 

[StrontiumDog]

In other news, Polar responded to my request after 5 days, about adding average heart rate to the display while recording a workout. The suggestion at least got forwarded to the developers who will decide if it is worthwhile to add.

Would be a very useful feature in light of Vitality's rules. The Polar Loop doesn't have this AFAIK... I haven't even opened it yet. Haven't been to gym in 3 weeks. Going for a checkup first in case I pushed too hard, heart rate wise :/

 

[Blu82]

There is already applications available that mimics devices for synchronization between Garmin Connect, Runkeeper, Strava and Endomondo,

 

[asshat99]

There is already applications available that mimics devices for synchronization between Garmin Connect, Runkeeper, Strava and Endomondo,

Yip - SyncMyTracks on Android is very good (a paid app though). It can do Nike+, Adidas, Endomondo, Fitbit, Garmin, Polar, MapmyFitness (and friends), Ride with GPS, Runkeeper, Runtastic, Sports Tracker, Strava, Suunto and directly from the open standard files. Synced nearly 600 runs (40 min average) in a few minutes. No need to get fancy to get at this data!

This means you can use essentially any platform or GPS device to generate the data and still get Discovery to count it. It is probably also be a route (by syncing the fitbit data to a different accepted platform like garmin) to count the heart rate data that discovery no longer accepts (was that from Fitbit?) - at least until April - when bets are all off..

 

[robdarussian]

Who wants to post this on the Vitality FB page, with a chirp or two about what would have happened if this dr was trying to get an 80% avg HR for his smoothie?!

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202750580092/Doctors-Massive-Stroke-After-Gym-Workout-Leads-to-145-Million-Verdict?mcode=0&curindex=0

 

[lloydkayak]

Seems like Vitality has revised the HR zone intensities that apply to moderate and vigorous exercise.
Moved from 70% and 80% back down to 60% and 70% respectively.

see table.