Discovery Vitality in 2016

WesleyR

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joppenheim

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And if Discovery vouched for Suunto?

I guess the only thing we can do is wait and hope Discovery and Suunto come up with an integration solution that satisfies Discovery's requirements for legitimate exercise data. I am sure Suunto will cooperate, else they will lose a lot of future customer's who will be forced to go with Garmin devices instead.

I bought the Suunto because (other than very accurate recordings) it was Vitality compatible (as per a very large Discovery Vitality sticker all over the box).

You think Discovery will buy my watch back or at least give me a R8k voucher to by a Garmin?
 

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I bought the Suunto because (other than very accurate recordings) it was Vitality compatible (as per a very large Discovery Vitality sticker all over the box).

You think Discovery will buy my watch back or at least give me a R8k voucher to by a Garmin?

I wouldn't mind if they exchanged my Ambit2 for Garmin Fenix 3 :D
 

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I bought the Suunto because (other than very accurate recordings) it was Vitality compatible (as per a very large Discovery Vitality sticker all over the box).

You think Discovery will buy my watch back or at least give me a R8k voucher to by a Garmin?

This is EXACTLY my feeling. I sent an email to Discovery asking if they'll refund my purchase - big fat NO as an answer. Its ridiculous, what if I go out and buy a Polar now and then the decide thats not good enough too?
 

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Who wants to post this on the Vitality FB page, with a chirp or two about what would have happened if this dr was trying to get an 80% avg HR for his smoothie?!

http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202750580092/Doctors-Massive-Stroke-After-Gym-Workout-Leads-to-145-Million-Verdict?mcode=0&curindex=0
My GP said he thinks what Discovery is doing is unethical, especially with all this heart rate nonsense... what about patients on beta blockers he said.

edit: @rob, do you have the full article from this?
 

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I will say this, the syncing was super fast. In less than 10 minutes after finishing, my points was on the Vitality website, and into my Active Rewards display. The strava data was also updated as quick.
Does the Polar Beat app sync directly to Discovery?
Or like this: Polar Beat --> Polar Flow --> Discovery ?
 

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Does the Polar Beat app sync directly to Discovery?
Or like this: Polar Beat --> Polar Flow --> Discovery ?
Fairly certain it is the second.
I created my account in Polar Beats, then linked that email to Discovery, but had to accept it in Polar Flow.
 

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Does the Polar Beat app sync directly to Discovery?
Or like this: Polar Beat --> Polar Flow --> Discovery ?

You have two options:
1. Polar Beat --> Apple Health App --> Discovery
2. Polar Beat --> Polar Flow --> Discovery
 

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My GP said he thinks what Discovery is doing is unethical, especially with all this heart rate nonsense... what about patients on beta blockers he said.

edit: @rob, do you have the full article from this?

For me the heart-rate issue is also the sticking point, I don't get how they decided to round it out to 80% for vigorous. Fair enough if they say they are going with the ACM (or whatever it is), but that guide states it starts at 76% and yet Vitality suddenly decides to round it out to 80%

I've tried exercising at an 80% heart-rate for 30minutes the last few days and got there, but this isn't something you want to play around with as it is dangerous. The general population could try it and faint/die.
 

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My GP said he thinks what Discovery is doing is unethical, especially with all this heart rate nonsense... what about patients on beta blockers he said.

edit: @rob, do you have the full article from this?

Not sure why it required registration - this morning it was accessible...
Anyway - here it is - apologies for the long post.

A Stamford jury has returned a $14.5 million verdict in a civil case brought by a Greenwich doctor who suffered a massive stroke after his personal trainer reportedly pushed him too hard on an exercise machine. The jury said the doctor was 25 percent at fault, bringing the payout to $10,875,000. When factoring in offer of compromise interest, the plaintiffs' lawyers said the total award would be about $13 million.
In 2011, Dr. Chetan Vaid was a 42-year-old primary care physician in Greenwich. He had a family and decided he wanted to get into better shape. He joined a gym – Equinox in Greenwich.
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Vaid, however, soon realized that he needed assistance using some of the equipment. So he hired a personal trainer at the gym, Joe Dominguez. Vaid's lead counsel, Victorio de Toledo of Casper & de Toledo in Stamford, said Dominguez had not been trained properly on how to help clients use the equipment, in particular a rowing machine. During Vaid's fifth session with the trainer, Dominguez put the resistance setting on the rowing machine all the way up to 10, which is the most difficult setting.
"[Vaid] didn't like the rowing machine and expressed that he struggled with the high resistance," said de Toledo. "[Vaid] kept trying to turn it down and the trainer kept turning it back up."
De Toledo said the trainer wanted Vaid to do an "explosive pull." After he did so, Vaid did not feel right. "When he got injured, he felt it right away and told the trainer he had blurry vision," said de Toledo.
Dominguez told Vaid that he only had a couple more exercises to go. The trainer had Vaid do some pushups and bench presses. Vaid still didn't feel right, his attorney said. He showered and went home rather than go back to his doctor's office.
After eating a very light dinner with his wife and children, he decided to go to Greenwich Hospital. While at the hospital he was diagnosed with a right artery dissection, which is a separation of the layers of the artery wall. While awaiting transfer to Westchester Medical Center, the artery became obstructed and he suffered a massive stroke.
Following his hospital stay, Vaid spent an extensive amount of time at Burke Rehabilitation Hospital where he did a lot of cognitive and occupational therapy. Vaid suffered brain damage and his medical group was forced to let him go. Vaid later sued Equinox for negligent training, supervision, and retaining Dominguez as a trainer. They also sued the trainer individually for negligence. Vaid's wife had a loss of consortium claim as well.
"The case is about a big company that doesn't bother giving their staff the appropriate training on how to use their own gym equipment," said de Toledo. "They're too focused on sales and booking personal training sessions and not focused enough on making sure the training sessions are done safely."
Stamford Superior Court Judge Charles Lee presided over the lengthy trial, which concluded Feb. 23 during its fifth week. The jury deliberated for just under a day-and-a-half before rendering their verdict.
The defendants were represented by Catherine Nietzel and John Cannavino Jr., of Ryan Ryan Deluca in Stamford. Nietzel is on vacation and Cannavino could not immediately be reached for comment.


Read more: http://www.ctlawtribune.com/id=1202...ut-Leads-to-145-Million-Verdict#ixzz42Q8DLmTF
 

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^ Thanks rob. Illustrates the point that as one gets older you have to listen to your body to know when you are pushing too much. Can't go gung-ho ignoring cues that's all is not well.
 

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Discovery say they are sticking to ACSM guidelines. Anyone here care to explain how?

According to: bit.ly/1TDxRgj 65 - 71% is 'moderate'. I'm assuming then >=72% should be vigorous according to ACSM right?
 

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Discovery say they are sticking to ACSM guidelines. Anyone here care to explain how?

According to: bit.ly/1TDxRgj 65 - 71% is 'moderate'. I'm assuming then >=72% should be vigorous according to ACSM right?

Their rationale is that "moderate" is 70%, because it falls nicely in between 65-75 - I've seen the ACSM classify this as moderate in a position statement.

And then "vigorous" is 80% - and they see themselves as being generous, because it's on the lower end of the 75-90% range for vigorous.
 

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I could accept vigorous starting at 75%. 80% is just a bit over the top though.

5% increment would also have people complain a lot less about it, than they do right now.
 

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For me the heart-rate issue is also the sticking point, I don't get how they decided to round it out to 80% for vigorous. Fair enough if they say they are going with the ACM (or whatever it is), but that guide states it starts at 76% and yet Vitality suddenly decides to round it out to 80%

I've tried exercising at an 80% heart-rate for 30minutes the last few days and got there, but this isn't something you want to play around with as it is dangerous. The general population could try it and faint/die.

I think it might be tricky for younger participants, perhaps. For me, 80% works out at under 140, and when I do a 5km, 10km, or 21km run, I can easily maintain an average of 150+, and I'm not superfit by any means.
 

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Hi everyone,

I have first aid certification until 2018 and guess what??? i get vitality points for it every year. 2500 points. maybe next time your company wants to send you on a course this might be one of the choices.
 

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I think it might be tricky for younger participants, perhaps. For me, 80% works out at under 140, and when I do a 5km, 10km, or 21km run, I can easily maintain an average of 150+, and I'm not superfit by any means.

Wait until you do get superfit... apparently it's not so easy to raise your HR then.
 

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Wait until you do get superfit... apparently it's not so easy to raise your HR then.

^ This

And the bloody Apple Watch isn't accurate at all, but Discovery is basically making everyone who has one, use it and die trying to make their goals for the week.
 

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Wait until you do get superfit... apparently it's not so easy to raise your HR then.

I'm quite fit, so my heartrate is between 140-150 during 21km races. Gym is a problem. My heartrate jumps to 150 and then drops back to 110-120. So yes, it is going to be difficult.
 
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