Do you believe in the existence of extra-terrestrials?

[Balstrome]

Seening no one else has mentioned it, Frank Drakes Famous Equation
Do the maths.

N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Where,
N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.
R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.
fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.
ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.
fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.
fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.
fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.
L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

 

[|tera|]

44 poeple really do believe everything

 

[wcoetzee]

The question should be :

Do extra-terrestrials believe in the existence of us?

maybe we are the aliens

 

[waynegohl]

we are the slaves of the gods.

 

[redarrow]

Now there is one planet with life on it in 0.000000000000015% of the KNOWN universe..... thus the odds are pretty good imo

Don't you think it's a little biased though, considering the fact that we exist, and that in order to exist we need a location in the universe to exist in, and hence the only location we've explored is the location whereabouts we exist.. If you get what I'm saying?

We couldn't very well exist in a place where there is no life because then we wouldn't exist..


Anyway, to the question, I voted "no", because I don't believe that ET is out there... but I have no particular convictions for this.. just my hunch...
Although I don't entirely discount the possibility, which is why I would say "I don't believe in extra-terrestrials" as opposed to "extra-terrestrials don't exist"..

 

[Nanfeishen]

If this is true, then how come generally speaking the public holds the view that UFOlogists are slightly nutty and loony tunes. This evidence you speak of must be suspect if it does not have the ability to convince the public at large that there have been visitors. A quick debunk, your statement about mentions US Military and Airforce, are these two not one and the same. So by saying this, you increase the value of your statement. Nice but FAIL.

The general public believe what they see on mass media/brainwashing, and UFOlogists are portrayed in a particular way in the mass media, i.e. slightly nutty/loony for that very reason, to ensure the masses dont take them seriously.
As to the evidence that exists, if the same amount of evidence was presented in a murder trial, the jury would come back with a vote - guilty as charged.
And i think what the poster was saying by air force, was commercial airline pilots.
It is not only the U.S., but France, Brazil, Russian and Chinese military have been studying the phenomena for years.
If you can read French here is all the research done by France on the subject:
http://www.cnes-geipan.fr/geipan/
From Brazil: May 2008
All UFO Secrets Must Be Disclosed", says Brazilian Military
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MUFON/message/125
And from the U.K. May 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1952867/British-Government-releases-UFO-files.html
Info on Russian research program:
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/phenomena/russian_ufo_report_000808.html
And in China, if one of these articles is accurate, that half the population believe in Aliens, thats about 650 Million believers
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/China.htm
And finally if it is all a hoax, why are there so many organisations globally dedicated to the study of the phenomena?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_organizations

 

[mercurial]

If this is true, then how come generally speaking the public holds the view that UFOlogists are slightly nutty and loony tunes. This evidence you speak of must be suspect if it does not have the ability to convince the public at large that there have been visitors. A quick debunk, your statement about mentions US Military and Airforce, are these two not one and the same. So by saying this, you increase the value of your statement. Nice but FAIL.

That's the tool they use to debunk the claims. They make people look loony. That's fairly obvious.
The evidence is quite good but people will never believe in something they don't want to accept. Maybe they think that "God" put us here and only us in the universe. You have to think of the religious aspect of admitting that intelligent alien life exists.
Debunk? I think not. Obviously they are not the same. That's my point. There are tons of people in various US government positions that have come forward with their evidence. Poor attempt Balstrome, and you fail

 

[Geriatrix]

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[Devill]

Don't you think it's a little biased though, considering the fact that we exist, and that in order to exist we need a location in the universe to exist in, and hence the only location we've explored is the location whereabouts we exist.. If you get what I'm saying?

We couldn't very well exist in a place where there is no life because then we wouldn't exist..


Anyway, to the question, I voted "no", because I don't believe that ET is out there... but I have no particular convictions for this.. just my hunch...
Although I don't entirely discount the possibility, which is why I would say "I don't believe in extra-terrestrials" as opposed to "extra-terrestrials don't exist"..

It doesnt change the fact that we have explore so little of the KNOWN universe........dont you think it is a bit vain for us to think that in all this space we are the only living things?

all im saying is that we are such a small part of the universe and we thing we are the alfa and omega......there might be other life that have evolved to the same level as us and thus they can also only explore 0.000000000000015% of the universe away from their planet.....

Ps yes the data is skewed but it doesnt change the fact that 1 life form exists in such a small part of the universe , also that why i didn't work out the possibility of there being life, other then us in the universe

 

[icyrus]

The general public believe what they see on mass media/brainwashing, and UFOlogists are portrayed in a particular way in the mass media, i.e. slightly nutty/loony for that very reason, to ensure the masses dont take them seriously.
As to the evidence that exists, if the same amount of evidence was presented in a murder trial, the jury would come back with a vote - guilty as charged.

All that "evidence" and yet the simple questions still remain unanswered. Odd.

 

[Claymore]

The general public believe what they see on mass media/brainwashing, and UFOlogists are portrayed in a particular way in the mass media, i.e. slightly nutty/loony for that very reason, to ensure the masses dont take them seriously.

Maybe it's not because they are presented as slightly nutty, it's because they are slightly nutty. Why is it that the vast majority of UFO-believers are untrained in scientific fields, and virtually none in relevant fields like astronomy. There seem to be a much higher percentage who are credulous in other areas too, like astrology, conspiracy theories, etc.

And finally if it is all a hoax, why are there so many organisations globally dedicated to the study of the phenomena?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_organizations

That proves nothing. There are plenty of organisations dedicated to homeopathy, astrology, reiki, religion, and other fields with little or no scientific basis.

 

[mercurial]

Why is it that the vast majority of UFO-believers are untrained in scientific fields, and virtually none in relevant fields like astronomy.

I'm sorry, but that statement is purely retarded. Why does someone need to be an expert in anything to want to believe in anything?

 

[JungleRumble]

It takes only a few drunk bike riders with black leathers to give bike riders in general a bad name. Just so it takes a few hoax's to do the same to UFO sightings.

I belive in the opening statement of this thread - why all this space and planets to support a lonely planet full of arseholes? Just does not make sense.

Anyhow - read the book "UFO Conspiracy" by Jenny Randall. Written some time ago - it goes about Project Blue Book "unclassified". Even the Middelburg sighting is described in this book.

 

[Telkomisaloser]

The question should be :

Do extra-terrestrials believe in the existence of us?

Yep I think so...

We are probably the planet called X3647R7 and marked with a warning sign

 

[mercurial]

Also google the MJ-12.

 

[kronoSX]

Yep I think so...

We are probably the planet called X3647R7 and marked with a warning sign

spending to much time with that scope

 

[Claymore]

I'm sorry, but that statement is purely retarded. Why does someone need to be an expert in anything to want to believe in anything?

They don't. But people are believing in things that experts in related fields are not. Doesn't that suggest something about the credibility of those things?

 

[kronoSX]

das..universe

 

[DJ...]

They don't. But people are believing in things that experts in related fields are not. Doesn't that suggest something about the credibility of those things?

The original statement is rubbish unless you can somehow prove that all or at least the majority of experts dont believe in the existence of extra-terrestrials.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Having a belief and being open to the possibility are not entirely the same thing. I don't believe in green men, but I'm open to the possibility that they exist given the numbers that we're dealing with when relating to the universe. I'll believe in them once their existence can be scientifically verified. I maintain this school of thought for anything and everything.