Do you think it should be a crime not to wear a mask in public?

Do you think it should be a crime not to wear a mask in public?

  • Yes

    Votes: 492 61.5%
  • No

    Votes: 308 38.5%

  • Total voters
    800

Mooid

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It should be considered a crime because you are intentionally being selfish and that could possibly lead to someone's death.Some people are asymptomatic and would not know if they have the virus so not wearing could be harm someone who has a weak immune system or chronic disease so not wearing a mask is you basically killing someone intentionally and that is murder therefore should be a criminal offense.
Asymptomatic carried are very unlikely to spread the virus. This is according to the WHO.
 

LuyoMahle

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No but they should be fined and if they can't afford to pay a night or two in the holdings
 

Mooid

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Yes, now link please.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...-confirmed,more information becomes available.

To Quote form the paper

Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.
There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries.
WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an update as more information becomes available.
 

supersunbird

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Asymptomatic carried are very unlikely to spread the virus. This is according to the WHO.
I can only find links about the opposite of your claim, one being a WHO one:


Multiple studies have shown that people infect others before they themselves became ill, (10, 42, 69, 82, 83) which is supported by available viral shedding data (see above). One study of transmission in Singapore reported that 6.4% of secondary cases resulted from pre-symptomatic transmission.(73) One modelling study, that inferred the date of transmission based on the estimated serial interval and incubation period, estimated that up to 44% (25-69%) of transmission may have occurred just before symptoms appeared.(62) It remains unclear why the magnitude of estimates from modelling studies differs from available empirical data.
 

Mooid

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Link to "according to WHO" please
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...-confirmed,more information becomes available.

To Quote form the paper

Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.
There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries.
WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an update as more information becomes available.
 

supersunbird

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https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=5ae25bc7_2#:~:text=An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed,more information becomes available.

To Quote form the paper

Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.
There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries.
WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an update as more information becomes available.
My link is newer, so that is what should now be used for forming your views if it's based on WHO stuff.
 

eehellfire

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It is more like, how dare govt. tells me what to do, I DO WHAT I WANT WHENEVER I WANT. That is the problem, people trying to be spiteful and instead spite thmeselves.
That, and the "wake up sheeple" brigade who are convinced "MSM" is out to get them and only spreads #fakenews
 

rustypup

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For those whetting their pants in public.

Can you provide the clinical evidence that the terrifying droplets do, indeed, carry sufficient payload to effect transmission?

Are you aware that that the bulk of the atmospheric suspension data is from laboratory tests with very little, if any, airflow present to disrupt suspension? Because they can't measure what they can't catch?

Are you aware of how small a virus is?

Are you aware that hiding away isn't a magical cure?
 

eehellfire

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https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...-confirmed,more information becomes available.

To Quote form the paper

Asymptomatic transmission
An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.
There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries.
WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an update as more information becomes available.
That doesn't back up your case at all.
It basically says they can't prove asymptomatic cases really exist.
 

CrispinKay

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If people trusted the government they would willingly wear masks. The fault is not with the people so why fine them. How about the government proves their stance with legit stats? The same for alcohol and cigarettes.
NDZ has used the excuse that the stats are not readily available 142 times on last count. So how is the government making these decisions for the people of SA?
 

Nanfeishen

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An actual chargable crime ? , a resounding NO.
The only thing masks do is to allay other peoples fears.
 

mje

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Do you think it should be a crime not to wear a mask in public?
No. If you are outside with nobody near (except a policeman in the bush ready to jump out) - you are safe.
If you are in any sort of enclosed space or have people closer than 5 meters from you - then Yes.

Criminal? No. You should simply not be allowed to enter the premises.

Covid-19 is airborne - and is entering the body through any "hole" including via your eyes. A mask over someone else's nose and mouth may help stop some spread - but once in the air - it can still get you your unprotected eyes!
 

supersunbird

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For those whetting their pants in public.

Can you provide the clinical evidence that the terrifying droplets do, indeed, carry sufficient payload to effect transmission?

Are you aware that that the bulk of the atmospheric suspension data is from laboratory tests with very little, if any, airflow present to disrupt suspension? Because they can't measure what they can't catch?

Are you aware of how small a virus is?

Are you aware that hiding away isn't a magical cure?

To prevent transmission, WHO recommends a comprehensive set of measures including:

  • Identify suspect cases as quickly as possible, test, and isolate all cases (infected people) in appropriate facilities;
  • Identify and quarantine all close contacts of infected people and test those who develop symptoms so that they can be isolated if they are infected and require care;
  • Use fabric masks in specific situations, for example, in public places where there is community transmission and where other prevention measures, such as physical distancing, are not possible;
  • Use of contact and droplet precautions by health workers caring for suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients, and use of airborne precautions when aerosol generating procedures are performed;
  • Continuous use of a medical mask by health workers and caregivers working in all clinical areas, during all routine activities throughout the entire shift;
  • At all times, practice frequent hand hygiene, physical distancing from others when possible, and respiratory etiquette; avoid crowded places, close-contact settings and confined and enclosed spaces with poor ventilation; wear fabric masks when in closed, overcrowded spaces to protect others; and ensure good environmental ventilation in all closed settings and appropriate environmental cleaning and disinfection.
 
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