Do you think LSD has any benefits?

[scudsucker]

I agree completely.

 

[Synaesthesia]

I haven't seen a shred of evidence presented in this thread, that LSD from a drug dealer is dangerous...

On the contrary, the surveys on purity of street LSD I have found have proved the opposite.

 

[copacetic]

Ok im just going to say what everyone is thinking , i dont think Riax has the expertise that he claims to have. He has made too many incorrect statements in the last few pages.

I'm inclined to believe that RiaX has qualifications related to this discussion.

This does not make his utterances any more correct though, especially given the attitude of 'I'm a professional, therefore my opinion is worth more than yours, even though I don't deem it necessary to actually back up all the claims I make'.

 

[Synaesthesia]

I'm inclined to believe that RiaX has qualifications related to this discussion.

I believe he is qualified too. The dangers of psychedelic drugs are exaggerated, and no benefits are ever admitted, of course to justify their classification as Schedule 1. His views are shared by most medical professionals and most people.

This does not make his utterances any more correct though, especially given the attitude of 'I'm a professional, therefore my opinion is worth more than yours, even though I don't deem it necessary to actually back up all the claims I make'.

Yeah.

 

[copacetic]

On the contrary, the surveys on purity of street LSD I have found have proved the opposite.

I don't really understand the argument that drug dealers are mother****ers, only interested in a quick buck, to the detriment of their customers... It seems to reinforce the perception that all drug users are obviously morons, and lack the capacity to use safely, or make correct judgements about the products they may take. Ironically, as well, usually people who have this attitude also support the illegality of drugs - The prime reason why there might be quality issues in the first place...

There are certainly arguments for some drugs being cut with dangerous stuff - But as has been pointed out many times, LSD is not one of those drugs, drug manufacturers and dealers are in the business of selling a product, and it's in their best interests, obviously, to sell a product that is not any more detrimental to the health of the customer than necessary. Killing customers... not good for business.

 

[scudsucker]

Back to the original topic.. I think Riax would benefit from taking a half dose in a controlled environment.

 

[Unhappy438]

I'm inclined to believe that RiaX has qualifications related to this discussion.

This does not make his utterances any more correct though, especially given the attitude of 'I'm a professional, therefore my opinion is worth more than yours, even though I don't deem it necessary to actually back up all the claims I make'.

I find it hard to believe that a drug specialist doesn't know about some of the things that were said here which was just common knowledge. Not worth the argument though i suppose.

 

[Sherbang]

ALbert Hoffman worked for a massive pharmaceutical company ?

MAO in found in the synaptic celfts of neurons and has nothing to do with oral ingestion. Your sight is some what inaccurate with regards to SSRIs. You do get orally available 5-HT agonists, however oral 5-HT itself I dont think so, again was theorising

DMT is structurally analogous to the monoamine neurotransmitters serotonin (5-HT) and the hormone melatonin (Tryptamines).
MAO is a digestive enzyme that is responsible for the metabolisation of organic amines in the body. DMT is broken down by this digestive enzyme through a process called deamination, and is therefore inactive if taken orally unless combined with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI). MAOIs act by inhibiting the activity of monoamine oxidase, thus preventing the breakdown of monoamine neurotransmitters and thereby increasing their availability.

Ayahuasca is prepared from the Banisteriopsis spp. vine (an MAOI), and the leaves of the DMT-containing shrubs from the genus Psychotria. How indigenous peoples discovered the synergistic properties of the plants used in the ayahuasca brew remains unclear.

 

[Synaesthesia]

Back to the original topic.. I think Riax would benefit from taking a half dose in a controlled environment.

I agree

 

[copacetic]

Heh, this thread is really making me want to try LSD.

Alas, I'm not sure I want to unveil some of what's buried in my mind just yet.

 

[Sherbang]

Back to the original topic.. I think Riax would benefit from taking a half dose in a controlled environment.

Not unless he has the correct mindset, no, he wouldn't benefit and it could be harmful.

Both his mindset and the setting in which the he has the experience are important - possibly the defining factors in how he perceives, interprets and handles the experience.

Person (the Set)
Physical factors such as body weight, sex, race, current health conditions, illnesses or diseases, medication intake, and genetic makeup.
Level of experience with the exact drug, drugs of the same type, drugs in general, or using drugs within certain contexts.
Tolerance level of specific drug, usually influenced by level of experience and physical factors, especially body weight and genetic makeup.
Current emotional and mental state, such as depression, anger, stress, recent trauma, or psychological disorders.
Type and level of drug education received
Expectations (or lack of), as well as intentions, regarding pending drug use, how the effects should feel, and what the experience will be like.
Personality, ideological opinions, and things of interest, often influences intentions and expectations.
Predisposition to physical addiction, likely influenced by genetics, personality, and tolerance.

Context (the Setting)
Place (i.e. at home, at a party, at the doctor’s office, on the streets, at work, etc).
Characteristics of environment, including the presence of music or other sounds, weather conditions, type of area (i.e. suburbs, industrial district, inner city, woods, beach, etc), whether it’s indoor/outdoor, and perimeter or tightness of setting.
Time, such as day or night, which season, day of the week, etc.
Amount of surrounding people (if any), plus types of individuals, crowdedness, and whether communication, interaction, or recreation takes place among group.
Culture, such as age group, ideology, race, common activities, and even the country of use.
Reason for drug experience (i.e. to undergo surgery, as medicine, to relax, for therapy, for recreation, as religious practice, to stay up or get work done, as a subject of research, unexpectedly/unwittingly, without consent, etc).

http://www.leshengliu.com/Drug Publications Set & Setting.html

These factors combine to form very different experiences for different people in different places, even if they’re taking the same amount of the exact same chemical through the same route of administration.

 

[RiaX]

Would you like to link to a cite showing the toxic and/or harmful additives/byproducts present in LSD sold to the public?

Dont be dumb. This is made on the streets they dont exactly PUBLISH their intellectual trade. OMW, you sir are a con artist's dream

 

[RiaX]

I find it hard to believe that a drug specialist doesn't know about some of the things that were said here which was just common knowledge. Not worth the argument though i suppose.

Common knowledge ? what are you refering too?

 

[Synaesthesia]

Dont be dumb. This is made on the streets they dont exactly PUBLISH their intellectual trade. OMW, you sir are a con artist's dream

There are surveys. Here you go, straight from the DEA:

At the highest levels of the traffic, where LSD crystal is purchased in gram or multigram quantities from wholesale sources of supply, it rarely is diluted with adulterants, a common practice with cocaine, heroin, and other illicit drugs.

 

[RiaX]

hehehe, USA documents and how you know your lsd isnt made locally? or from china, india, cuba ?

Let me explain to you the methods of producing LSD at home you wont be able to make it anyways so no point hiding it. Will do it later I gtg for lunch D:

 

[Synaesthesia]

hehehe, USA documents and how you know your lsd isnt made locally? or from china, india, cuba ?

I don't, but that doesn't matter to me. As we've explained, there just isn't much sense in adulterating your LSD. I've seen other surveys too. You still haven't got any evidence

I have quite a bit of experience, and talking to my friends, it seems that LSD is generally consistent.

Let me explain to you the methods of producing LSD at home you wont be able to make it anyways so no point hiding it. Will do it later I gtg for lunch D:

No thanks, I certainly wouldn't mind but I'm not going to. I've read about several methods thank you. The precursors are too hard to obtain, and I don't have enough chemistry experience currently.

 

[syntax]

hehehe, USA documents and how you know your lsd isnt made locally? or from china, india, cuba ?

Let me explain to you the methods of producing LSD at home you wont be able to make it anyways so no point hiding it. Will do it later I gtg for lunch D:

lol, so you firstly say there cannot be reliable evidence, then when its produced, you simply say its not reliable for south africa.
and when we find testing results for south african lsd, you will come up with some other rubbish.

Again, i have had it many many times, my friends and their friends have had it many many times...besides from bad trips which are usually because of a mindset or other people messing with you, i havent had anyone who has had anything catastrophic happen to them.

Personally, i loathe LSD, and it would honestly take 50k for someone to get me to take it again (im not even kidding). But i know ppl who love it. Each to their own i guess.

Besides, this is off topic, the poster had a question, i think from ppl who have used it, he has an answer.
You have provided the necessary dooms day warnings, and i do think thats necessary, but i really dont think its half as dangerous as you are making it out to be. I still chuckle at you saying half of people who tried drugs are dead

 

[scudsucker]

Dont be dumb. This is made on the streets they dont exactly PUBLISH their intellectual trade. OMW, you sir are a con artist's dream

I am not asking for certification from the producers.

I am asking you for proof of your statement that the drug contains toxic substances (additives and/or manufacturing by-products.)

Ad hominem attacks on my character do your case little good. Scientific evidence would help enormously.

 

[crysis]

Dont be dumb. This is made on the streets they dont exactly PUBLISH their intellectual trade. OMW, you sir are a con artist's dream

Actually, 99% of LSD you find on the streets come from Holland and Switzerland at home laboratories by organic chemists. Its pretty difficult to make, and I bet you, you wont find a producer in Africa.

 

[Sherbang]

Dont be dumb. This is made on the streets they dont exactly PUBLISH their intellectual trade. OMW, you sir are a con artist's dream

LOL, that's rich, coming from a guy who thinks we must all wear cologne everyday of our lives - you sir are a con artist's dream