Do you think LSD has any benefits?

[copacetic]

you might ask for journal articles

what does shrooms taste like btw?

A lot of people say they are revolting, but to me they taste like... mushrooms, just very pungent and bitter mushrooms...

 

[RiaX]

can you cook with them? does that destroy the psilocybin? how does it come dried?

 

[copacetic]

can you cook with them? does that destroy the psilocybin? how does it come dried?

Yes, heat will destroy the psilocybin as far as I know.

How do you mean how does it come dried? It's just like any dried mushrooms you'll find in a shop.

 

[RiaX]

So how much are shrooms ?

 

[copacetic]

So how much are shrooms ?

About R80 a gram, I'd guess, with 2-4 grams being what people usually trip on I think.

 

[RiaX]

Why cant you grow your own?

 

[copacetic]

Why cant you grow your own?

You absolutely can, it's very easy, from the articles I've read.

 

[RiaX]

Have you tried ? I don't knw much about psilocybin other than reversing it. Not something we studied in detail. How is it different wrt to lsd ? And if its easy to grow why don't people just grow it ? Surely it would be cheaper easier and safer than kitchen cooked street lsd

 

[copacetic]

Have you tried ? I don't knw much about psilocybin other than reversing it. Not something we studied in detail. How is it different wrt to lsd ? And if its easy to grow why don't people just grow it ? Surely it would be cheaper easier and safer than kitchen cooked street lsd

Well it's different in the sense that it is not LSD...

You seem to be suggesting that people should take shrooms over LSD because it's safer, but that's like telling someone to to take up badminton instead of rock-climbing because badminton is safer (people like rock-climbing, not any sport for the sake of it). I'm not agreeing that LSD is dangerous, to be clear, just pointing out that they are different drugs, and not interchangeable in their effects, although obviously they are more alike than cocaine VS LSD, obviously.

People do grow it, certainly. But it's not something you're likely to use on a continual basis, so most people buy the stuff from one of those people who grow it when they use it on occasion.

If you want info, you'd be much better served with a resource like this:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

I'm certainly no expert.

*edit*

I haven't tried, no. Don't have any reason to, although if I could get a syringe of quality spores I probably would, just for the hell of it.

 

[RiaX]

Indeed I not suggesting its safer I'm asking if its safer, since they both psychedilics.

I've learn through experience its all good to preach no its bad but there is a point where one must be realistic and objective. If a patient is unwilling to stop there isn't anything a medical officer can do, so its better to suggest the lesser of two evils

 

[copacetic]

Indeed I not suggesting its safer I'm asking if its safer, since they both psychedilics.

I've learn through experience its all good to preach no its bad but there is a point where one must be realistic and objective. If a patient is unwilling to stop there isn't anything a medical officer can do, so its better to suggest the lesser of two evils

I'm not sure why you feel 'patients should stop', or why these are both 'evils' - People who have an issue with recreational drug use seem to persistently ignore the countless positive reports that come from people who have had life-changing (or even simply safe and enjoyable) experiences whilst on drugs, and obsess to the point of inanity about the occasions where people may have a negative experience.

There is no great harm that either of these substances can cause. Nothing is perfectly safe, and life would be very boring if we didn't do things that had some degree of risk attached to them. When it comes to illegal substances, I find that people who are 'anti-drug' will search high and low for the slightest indication that a given substance causes harm, and obsess about this to the exclusion of any data to the contrary. There are a great many activities that human beings regularly engage in that have a danger profile that by any logical metric far exceeds what might befall you if you take LSD or mushrooms (presuming you are educated about the risks and have knowledge about the drug in question, as any responsible drug user will make sure they are/do).

I don't pretend that drugs cannot be harmful, as that's a completely irrational position to take. However, I think people can educate themselves enough to make a personal decision to use a substance, and I find it astonishing how hard other human beings try to stop them - This is fundamentally insane behaviour; Trying to control the actions of an adult human being, who is partaking willingly and with prior knowledge of the risks they might be taking. It's utterly bewildering to me that people think this is acceptable...

 

[RiaX]

Adults as you say are extremely dumb people. Control is something that is not easily obtained. I've had patients stop their arvs and take arvs only when they sick, tb medication has not been taken becauses it tastes bad. So yes there is a need to tell people what to do. Just look around you and observe the stupidity, a person is smart people are dumb

 

[copacetic]

Adults as you say are extremely dumb people. Control is something that is not easily obtained. I've had patients stop their arvs and take arvs only when they sick, tb medication has not been taken becauses it tastes bad. So yes there is a need to tell people what to do. Just look around you and observe the stupidity, a person is smart people are dumb

I see very little correlation between 'smart' people and an informed, rational and non-hysterical approach to the issue of illegal drugs.

In any event, I am talking here, as I have mentioned, about responsible drug users. Your argument here is 'people are stupid, they need to be told what to do', in response to a specific scenario of informed and non-'stupid' drug users.

Of course people need to be told what to do sometimes, we all need each other to learn from. However, there comes a time when the people/organizations/governments who are attempting to impose their will on mankind, need to realize that their instructions are not correct simply because they are issued.

It takes incredible, almost breathtaking arrogance to believe you have or should have a legal right to limit another human being, based on your assumed level of knowledge and their assumed level of 'stupidity', when there is in fact often nothing driving this belief in your own superiority over your fellow man, other than your subjective opinion of yourself.

And to limit the behaviour of a human being other than yourself - That is a huge responsibility.

 

[RiaX]

Indeed. It is a huge responsibility ... one that alcohol has showed us why mind altering substances must be controlled for greater public safety. Most people dont give a fk about the unknown person next to them. Sad huh

 

[Ekstasis]

On the contrary - Many people give a big **** about the people around them. In fact the vast majority of people I know care very much about the world around them, as well as the people and other lifeforms it contains... It's not a huge logical leap to figure out that if we all look after one another, our own lives will be improved.

Therein lies a huge problem - people don't care and that will be our downfall

Putting people in jail and punishing them for using a drug is barbarism, plain and ****ing simple.

I have to agree with that. Although chasing the drug lords and putting them in jail is a good thing. These bastards have destroyed the lives of many junkies AND there families

 

[RiaX]

I tend to agree about prison sentence, but isnt you only can be arrested if you caught selling or in possession not intoxicated?

Prison should be kept for proper criminals and sold as medical test subjects for those who have no hope of breathing free air, at least that would be a TRUE way of paying a debt to society, instead of being a life long finanical burden. Some kid that wanted to smoke weed doesnt deserve a jail sentence becuase he couldnt afford bail, rather hit him with a small counselling session and a community service period

 

[copacetic]

This is going way off topic: I've answered here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/263046-Drugs-and-prohibition?p=8867207&viewfull=1#post8867207

*edit*

Doh, in my extreme tiredness, I deleted one of my posts.

It's the one Ekstasis quotes...

 

[RiaX]

should just rename this topic "DRUGS" lol

there is only so much you can talk about LSD

 

[Synaesthesia]

The effects are somewhat similar to LSD but with a different character. It also lasts much shorter. The trip can be very intense I from take a lot, but with a little bit I find it very enjoyable. It's quite safe, no known issues really. The LD50 is Lso very high, so high safety factor. They taste kinda musty, not too bad. They're dry which makes them a little hard to eat.

 

[RiaX]

hmmmm, you guys should watch drug inc documentry.

When you see street heroin as this brown sludge ..... and the dealers mixing brick dust into the thing yoh. Anyways off topic but cool show