Do you think LSD has any benefits?

[STS]

everyone should take LSD. did it once and it was incredible. it's like being a child again and looking at the world with wonder.

Disclaimer: It depends on your mind however, I was told the better your state of mind and outlook on the world, the better it will be for you. This made me want to test it out more to see if i was as brilliant as i thought i was, and it was pleasant for me.

 

[copacetic]

I put it in inverted commas because to explain the purity of exipients would be a mission so its easier to say 'spiked' cause the effects would be the same.

Yes im well aware of the history of LSD, can also draw the structure from memory can make some for you too if I had the stuff and a decently equiped lab. Its a ergoline derivative, search ergot alkaloids to find its family of drugs.

I thought (from your other posts) that you would be quite knowledgeable in this regard. You must please excuse my pedantic nature in drug related threads, but the level of ignorance and bull**** it so enormous regarding this subject, it makes me want to throttle people sometimes.

 

[zippy]

Drugs such as LSD are natures way of limiting population growth, and weeding out the stupid from the intelligent in a population. A small minority will not be negatively affected by it and they will say it helped them. Then the really stupid ones will try it without first finding out if their own physiology can cope. It will destroy them. They will think getting medical answers on a public Internet forum is smart. This will be their downfall

Kinda like how the smart animals know what is the good stuff and what is the bad stuff. Same with humans. The smart people know what to avoid and the dumb don't, even if someone warns them. Those are the exceptionally dumb ones.

 

[copacetic]

Drugs such as LSD are natures way of limiting population growth, and weeding out the stupid from the intelligent in a population. A small minority will not be negatively affected by it and they will say it helped them. Then the really stupid ones will try it without first finding out if their own physiology can cope. It will destroy them. They will think getting medical answers on a public Internet forum is smart. This will be their downfall

Kinda like how the smart animals know what is the good stuff and what is the bad stuff. Same with humans. The smart people know what to avoid and the dumb don't, even if someone warns them. Those are the exceptionally dumb ones.

Please provide evidence for the legions of people that LSD has been culling for mankind...

And if you read the thread, most of the advice is along the lines of 'it was awesome for me, but it's possible to have a really scary experience, don't do it if you are not ready for it', which is eminently reasonable.

It's not addictive, not poisonous and it's certainly not even close to as dangerous as, say, alcohol, in any manner...

 

[PostmanPot]

The 70s destroyed people.

 

[killadoob]

Drugs such as LSD are natures way of limiting population growth, and weeding out the stupid from the intelligent in a population. A small minority will not be negatively affected by it and they will say it helped them. Then the really stupid ones will try it without first finding out if their own physiology can cope. It will destroy them. They will think getting medical answers on a public Internet forum is smart. This will be their downfall

Kinda like how the smart animals know what is the good stuff and what is the bad stuff. Same with humans. The smart people know what to avoid and the dumb don't, even if someone warns them. Those are the exceptionally dumb ones.

LOL

Smart people don't avoid things, they try them out to see if they like it. How on earth do you think we have come so far? Stupid people as you like to call them are the reason we have so many different things in life. Someone took the time to try this and try that.

It's people who do not try things that we should be worried about.

 

[Nerfherder]

I have taken LSD and Shrooms. I think they both benefited me but mainly because I stopped.

The experience of opening your mind can be very dangerous but its up to you to turn it in to a positive experience.
In an altered state you expose parts of your personality that are normally hidden, I saw what a mean angry selfish person I could be.

With both drugs I experienced the feeling of being able to step outside of my mind and take a look at who I was from another perspective. I can definitely see how shamans would have used the same experience to gain enlightenment.

None of these drugs are toys.

 

[Nerfherder]

LOL

Smart people don't avoid things, they try them out to see if they like it. How on earth do you think we have come so far? Stupid people as you like to call them are the reason we have so many different things in life. Someone took the time to try this and try that.

It's people who do not try things that we should be worried about.

Like the first person to eat a chilli... imagine he told every one it was poison and that they must never eat it.

All drugs have some sort of use. The ones we find useful are useful because we experimented with them.

 

[Sensorei]

I haven't done lsd in about 15 years but found it incredibly beneficial to my life. You can learn things about yourself in a few days that could have taken 10 years. But I have also had friends lose the plot and never be quite normal again.

The best LSD then was made thanks to the help of our unknowing varsity labs. LSD is probably the 'cleanest' lab made recreational drug there is even if you get the precursor and not the real thing. Kitchen chemists will often cook up and sell LSA (precursor) instead of LSD which is also very potent and still would work, since although you need 10 times more, you can still get enough in a dot or on paper for an effective dose.

To synthesise lsd purity of everything you use is key, distilate & dry each and every chem and solvent used. No ergot alkaloids (ergotamine) even needed, just extract LSA straight from morning glory seeds and purify.

There are a few ways to get to LSD from there, but with each the steps in lsd synthesis can be very dangerous (think hydrochloric acid and explosions) even to an experienced organic chemist which is why many trancers and neo hippies might well be popping lsa and not lsd.

 

[grok]

Drugs such as LSD are natures way of limiting population growth, and weeding out the stupid from the intelligent in a population. A small minority will not be negatively affected by it and they will say it helped them. Then the really stupid ones will try it without first finding out if their own physiology can cope. It will destroy them. They will think getting medical answers on a public Internet forum is smart. This will be their downfall

Kinda like how the smart animals know what is the good stuff and what is the bad stuff. Same with humans. The smart people know what to avoid and the dumb don't, even if someone warns them. Those are the exceptionally dumb ones.

Some people are content to live small, unimaginitive lives. Others, the pioneers, get out there and try achieve the impossible. Some may choose to explore the universe out there, while others may choose to expose the universe within. It is the stupid, not the intelligent as you say, who fail to broaden their horisons .. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog.../201010/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs

Yes, sometimes it's risky. So why do they take these risks? Simply because they want to!

Be safe. Wrap yourself in your protective blanky. It's ok, sometimes that's all some people can handle. But please don't force your beliefs on anyone else as nothing of use would ever have been invented were the world full of people like you ..

 

[Skywalker42]

Steve Jobs said, "Doing LSD was one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." He was hardly alone among computer scientists in his appreciation of hallucinogenics and their capacity to liberate human thought from the prison of the mind.

Jobs even let drop that Microsoft's Bill Gates would "be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." Apple's mantra was"Think different." Jobs did. And he credited his use of LSD as a major reason for his success.

http://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jobs-think-different-and-lsd-9143

 

[Skywalker42]

Albert Homann's letter to Steve Jobs

Dear Mr. Steve Jobs,

Hello from Albert Hofmann. I understand from media accounts that you feel LSD helped you creatively in your development of Apple Computers and your personal spiritual quest. I'm interested in learning more about how LSD was useful to you.

I'm writing now, shortly after my 101st birthday, to request that you support Swiss psychiatrist Dr. Peter Gasser's proposed study of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with anxiety associated with life-threatening illness. This will become the first LSD-assisted psychotherapy study in over 35 years, and will be sponsored by MAPS.

I hope you will help in the transformation of my problem child into a wonder child.

Sincerely
Albert Hofmann

 

[Kompete]

Just reading some of the responses here, I'm getting crazy flashbacks from more than 10 years ago

I did unlock something in my mind back then, I knew it was profound and life-changing whatever it was, but I chose not to go down that rabbit hole to find out what it is. It would've been as profound as a cockroach becoming self-aware... or maybe just a helluva halucination

 

[RiaX]

I thought (from your other posts) that you would be quite knowledgeable in this regard. You must please excuse my pedantic nature in drug related threads, but the level of ignorance and bull**** it so enormous regarding this subject, it makes me want to throttle people sometimes.

Excuse me?

 

[Sensorei]

Just look at the Apple logo. The forbidden fruit of knowledge with a bite taken out of it. ->lsd

 

[RiaX]

Defending LSD is no different from defending alcohol, smoking, cannabis, cocaine they all have positive sides.

btw jobs is dead

 

[copacetic]

Excuse me?

From your other posts in this forum, I got the impression you would be knowledgeable about matters pharmaceutical and/or chemical (can't recall precisely what it was you said - I presume you are involved in a related industry or scientific field), and so when you were less than clear (your mistake or mine), I engaged with you. Why? Because there are so many misconceptions and so much nonsense brought up in the emotionally charged atmosphere of a drug related thread.

 

[copacetic]

Defending LSD is no different from defending alcohol, smoking, cannabis, cocaine they all have positive sides.

They may all have positive sides (although this is highly debatable, as I am struggling to think of anything good to say about smoking, alcohol and cocaine [at least not anything that outweighs the negatives]), but these are dramatically different substances, so to defend one over the other is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

 

[Happy Camper]

Have you asked your friend what he feels like the next day or when the high is going down??
Not a very good feeling at all.... Everything that goes up must come down!

The main reason why drugs are addictive is because users cannot cope with the come down so they take more to keep the high going...

The "hangover" feeling is something you would not like at all... I tried it been there done that...

Trust me the high isn't worth for what comes after that...

What rubbish! LSD is one of the least addictive drugs you can get (it is next to 0 to be get addicted to lsd). Also it is less toxic than Vitamin C! However having said that it can be incredibly strong and can seriously mess up your head if you have a weak mind. Also, if there is a history of mental illness in your family then you should proceed with extreme caution as the LSD will definitely be a trigger of bringing it out in you also.

If you are comfortable in your own skin, have good health, and are in good company and easy surroundings when you do it, you should be ok. Comedown can be a bit hard but there are other precautions you can take for this for a smoother landing, you can research that yourself. Good company and surroundings + good mental space and you'll probably have a good trip!

Happy travels!

 

[Saajid]

LSD is not a narcotic, and the remainder of your advice is as ignorant as this mistake, sorry to be blunt.

Actually, you're wrong, and your response is as arrogant as your attitude.