Do you think LSD has any benefits?

copacetic

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Actually, you're wrong, and your response as is arrogant as your attitude.

From your link:

This article is about the drug classification. For the scuba diving reference, see Nitrogen narcosis. For the sedative agent, see Sedative. For pain control medications of both narcotic and non-narcotic varieties, see Analgesic. For the album by Muslimgauze, see Narcotic (album).
Heroin, a powerful opioid and narcotic.

The term narcotic (pronunciation: /nɑrˈkɑːtɨk/, from ancient Greek ναρκῶ narkō, "Ι benumb") originally referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties. In the United States of America it has since become associated with opioids, commonly morphine and heroin and their derivatives, such as hydrocodone. The term is, today, imprecisely defined and typically has negative connotations.[1][2] When used in a legal context in the US, a narcotic drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.

From a pharmacological standpoint it is not a useful term,[3] as is evidenced by the historically varied usage of the word.

Well, if we were in the USA, you might be able to argue that we are both right (or wrong), I'll give you that. My understanding of the word, is what I have bolded, and if your intention was to simply mean it is an illegal drug, while not incorrect (in the US lexicon - nothing to be proud of, let's be honest :p), is a bit pointless to have gone to the effort of mentioning, as anyone knows this.

I've never seen myself as particularly arrogant, but if you view me as such, so be it.

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If you'd like an example of arrogance, how about this absolute pronunciation:

Getting back to your main point: No you should not use LSD, or any other narcotics. In the long run, they'll destroy you, no matter how good the short-term benefit might seem.

How many people in this thread have indicated a long term, and positive effect from LSD (and they do not use it any more)? It strikes me as pretty arrogant to dismiss out of hand their experiences...
 
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Actually, you're wrong, and your response is as arrogant as your attitude.

Actually, YOU are wrong.

From your wiki article...
referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties.

That is not LSD, or any other hallucinogen/empathogen.

Narcotics (while not a useful label) are commonly held to be the opiates. Misclassification of cocaine as a narcotic has occured - but that is still misclassification. By no means can you classify LSD as a narcotic.
 

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I've done acid quite a few times in my life. I generally loathe the drug, and from what I hear, the stuff today is garbage.
My last experience was anything but pleasant, and i actually feel nauseous when i think about it.

I certainly didnt have any life changing experiences, although it can be quite a cool experience. I found it most enjoyable when mixing with ecstasy (candy flipping).

I suppose its each to their own, i know people who loved it, and talk about profound experiences etc. However, i have found that these profound life changing moments, tend to lose their validity over a period of time.

In any case, if you are taking it, do it at home, with people you really really trust (because being screwed around mentally when on acid can be unpleasant, and sometimes traumatic). If you have happy decent people around you who keep a happy vibe, then you are probably going to enjoy it.

PS. if you ever get offered tomato soup (acid), run ...run like hell
 

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Yeah guys.. please go read that Wikipedia article again. Especially the part about what the term means "today".

And copacetic. Go read the OP again. He asked for an opinion. I gave it. Why do you need to brand me as ignorant? Can you not appreciate other people's viewpoints?
 

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Yeah guys.. please go read that Wikipedia article again. Especially the part about what the term means "today".

In medicine, a chemical agent that induces stupor, coma, or insensibility to pain (also called narcotic analgesic).

Narcotics are substances and preparations that induce drowsiness, sleep, stupor, insensibility, etc

A chemical agent that induces stupor, coma, or insensibility to pain. The term usually refers to opiates or opioids, which are called narcotic analgesics. In common parlance and legal usage, it is often used imprecisely to mean illicit drugs, irrespective of their pharmacology.

The term "narcotic" is believed to have been coined by the Greek physician Galen to refer to agents that numb or deaden, causing loss of feeling or paralysis. It is based on the Greek word ναρκωσις (narcosis), the term used by Hippocrates for the process of numbing or the numbed state. Galen listed mandrake root, altercus (eclata).[15] seeds, and poppy juice (opium) as the chief examples.[16][17] It originally referred to any substance that relieved pain, dulled the senses, or induced sleep.[18] Now, the term is used in a number of ways. Some people define narcotics as substances that bind at opioid receptors (cellular membrane proteins activated by substances like heroin or morphine) while others refer to any illicit substance as a narcotic. From a legal perspective, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and their semi-synthetic substitutes.[19] Though in U.S. law, due to its numbing properties, cocaine is also considered a narcotic.

Sense of "any illegal drug" first recorded 1926, Amer.Eng. The adj. is first attested c.1600

I Just read the whole article, and I am not going to say you are completely wrong, as legally (and imprecisely) narcotics can cover drugs which do not have the properties of what is clinically and typically meant by the term narcotics. Semantics, etc, etc...

And copacetic. Go read the OP again. He asked for an opinion. I gave it. Why do you need to brand me as ignorant? Can you not appreciate other people's viewpoints?

It was ignorant, as the statement is/was demonstrably untrue.
 

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From your other posts in this forum, I got the impression you would be knowledgeable about matters pharmaceutical and/or chemical (can't recall precisely what it was you said - I presume you are involved in a related industry or scientific field), and so when you were less than clear (your mistake or mine), I engaged with you. Why? Because there are so many misconceptions and so much nonsense brought up in the emotionally charged atmosphere of a drug related thread.

Yes I am, im a drug specialist. Its habbit to dumb down things so the lay patient can understand, a habbit but a neccessary one. That was my mistake on the part of 'spiking' but It was the easier option considering the situation, if you want me to go into detail I shall, though it would be difficult as I do not know how they make this stuff for street use... trade secrets i suppose.

Alcohol is good for you in moderation for example red wine and whiskey have cardioprotective properties. Sometimes the cardiologists will actually prescribe whiskey/wine for their patients. Vodka is good for the GIT and beer is an excellent diuretic, medical professionals wont tell you this because patients never listen. Many times I tell a patient "take one at night", the next day they come to me angry claiming the medicine gave them severe diarrhea so i ask them what they do and they say "i took 3 at night". So generally its a rule we reserve the maxium doses and the details to prevent this.

Cocaine is and still is the best local anaesthetic, all our local anaesthetics are derived from modifying the basic structure of the cocaine molecule, unfortunately modern medicine has been unable to provide an equal or superior local anaesthetic. In the old days it was used for ENT sugery and the patient could have the surgery awake it was that potent in its purest form. Its also excellent in constricting blood flow and thus blood loss is minimal with cocaine use and adrenaline does not have to be used in conjunction. Unfortunately cocaine binds so strongly with receptors in the brain its physically damages the tissue hence why its been discontinued in medical uses, and thats the mechanism from which the severe insomnia and addiction comes in and this damage is almost impossible to reverse.

Smoking has its possitives as well though its subjective to the patient, ever wondered why some hospitals have a smoking section in the cardiothoraic wards? NO medical professional will agree to this and I myself will never say it to any patient that I deal with. Smoking has its positives, for example there will be a brief period of time that it will improve asthma after all the irritation is done, as the smoke dries out the lung the patient will be less subject to attacks because the lung will no longer be able to hypersecrete mucous to block the airways, but after that point it goes downhill from there. The nicotine stimulation can provide some positives as well, such as weight loss and appetite supression however this is circumvented by habbitual responses to the act of smoking such as a 'after meal smoke'. Also patients under severe cardiovascular stress they are ordered to continue smoking as the stopping of smoking can put the heart into disarray and exacebate the condition but this is when all hope is lost, but these are the most desperate attempts of defending smoking. One would not be in that situation (arguably) if they didnt smoke in the first place. The problem is the impurities when you smoke a ciggarette, the carbon monoxide, methanol, ethanol, cynaide ect from the chemicals that are used to treat the tabacco and the actual paper that encases the tabacco. This is also the same problem when smoking cannabis. The higher heat from the smoke damages the lungs (not to mention the tar). Again dont quote me on this for smoking.

For cannabis, it used to be used as an antipsychotic (now when we say antipsychotic we mean a substance used to treat any mental illness not just insane loonies as most people think) it used to be placed in a solution and the patient would drink it. In other words the THC was extracted and formulated into an acceptable dosage form. It was used to induece the appetite for patients suffering from diseases that cause wastage of the body for example TB.

A lot of drugs have what we call 'off label uses' where the drug is used for things its not intended. Metformin is a good example of this, it can be used for weight loss and can be used for treating polycsytic ovarian syndrome yet it was made to manage type 2 diabetes.

When it comes to LSD, you must remember although "naturally found" the thing you consuming isnt natural at all, also natural doesnt mean good for you. You get 25 micrograms of LSD but the thing you taking isnt 25 mcg is it? thats because it contains certain things to aid its absorption into the body. This things are known as excipients and are probably more important that the drug itself. They buffer the pH in the stomach, or they allow penetration across the gut wall, they have 100s of different uses. Now when these things are not pure (99%) the impurities can be harmful. I mean if you taking something that contains 80% of the desired compound and 20% impure mercury based impurities then you going to be in trouble. These guys that manufacture the stuff dont care about this they care about getting the best 'high'. Some preparations are 'cut' with ether. Would you normally smoke ether or drink it ? no. So its the same as spiking the substance. Other common vehicles they use is ethylene glycol and methanol as they easy to obtain and easy to use and formulate with. No pharmaceutical chemical company is going to supply unknown people with chemicals, so ask yourself where they get it from? I've analysed street drugs that contain benzene and paint thinners and other nasty indrustrial grade stuff where purity isnt important.

Now when it comes to addiction there is no such thing as 'least addictive' as that depends on the patient. Some patients can get addicted with a single use, it depends on the pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties with that individual's body. An addiction on a physiological level is the need to stumulate certain receptors (google it I can type a thesis on this), now it depends how strongly a substance binds to that receptor as the binding of a ligand (drug) can cause morphological changes and that will lead to how one reacts to a substance. Saying "its the least addictive" is the same as you going to a penicllin allergic patient and claim "it doesnt kill me". Hence the "least addictive" arguement of LSD is invalid. Anything that alters the mind is something to be cautious about, secondly they may not physically get addicted to the substance but rather the 'high' itself which is just as dangerous.

If you know of a drug called sugars the treatment is extreme, you have to use methadone to stop the addiction to sugars because sugars binds so strongly to opioid receptors it damages the brain. This overstimulation of the receptors can be so potent in its gross form that the patient can die without stimulating the receptors, this is the worst form of addiction there is and its not the banned substances that only do this. It reaches a state where the patient's life depends on the substance of abuse. For those of you who are reading this going "I dont know anyone on LSD that had this problem" and that reason is you have not been exposed to such a great deal of patients like me. Ive seen people on all forms of addiction, they are dead or living in a sewer some where. There usually isnt harm in trying a substance out it wont ruin your life but remember if you choose to walk down this road you must be able to deal with the outcomes. There are just as many "i took it im successful now" stories as there are dead bodies, so in essence it boils down to the patient taking it.
 

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Apart from making one think you're astral travelling, seeing unicorns or talking to God, no. LSD has no advantages.
 

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It was ignorant, as the statement is/was demonstrably untrue.

It wasn't a statement. It was an opinion. OP asked "Do you think LSD has any benefits" and not "Does LSD have any benefits". Fact vs opinion. He asked for opinion.

Surprised that you guys did not pick that up, as anal as you are about details.
 
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. There are just as many "i took it im successful now" stories as there are dead bodies, so in essence it boils down to the patient taking it.

I am sorry i am concentrating on just one sentence. But I am sure that is a gross exaggeration.
Death statistics vs users certainly dont validate what you are saying. Sure, there are certain substances that get abused that have a higher mortality rate, but in general, i dont think its in the numbers you are suggestion. I understand you are also trying to caution people, and its a good thing. I do the same, but i also tell people exactly what its like from my perspective, and what i have experienced in terms of dangers etc
 

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Did Lsd about 6 years ago and i fully stand by my view that it was a turning point in my life. I only did it once from fear of re locking what was unlocked within my mind. At the time i was a massive slacker with no direction in life not knowing what career to pursue. It opened up my mind so much that it made me question almost everything which lead to my love for Science. From then i went on to study Engineering and i haven't looked back. Thank you Lsd :)
 

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Did Lsd about 6 years ago and i fully stand by my view that it was a turning point in my life. I only did it once from fear of re locking what was unlocked within my mind. At the time i was a massive slacker with no direction in life not knowing what career to pursue. It opened up my mind so much that it made me question almost everything which lead to my love for Science. From then i went on to study Engineering and i haven't looked back. Thank you Lsd :)

Another positive outcome. I think LSD finds you, when you are ready. I wanted yo do it about 15 years ago but missed the windows of opportunity, because of my busy life, then. I regret it, and at this stage I'm not ready for it anymore, but that might change. What I remember from my readings from years ago ( from the "experts" ):

1. You must make your own LSD.
2. You must prepare for your trip for at least 18 months.
3. You must not take it again for at least 2 years.
4. If the trip goes bad, have a Vitamin B3 ( Niacin/Nicotinic acid) injection ( and a "nurse" on standby ) ready to end the trip.

And I think it was banned because governments do not want want clever/awake/thinking type of voters around.
 

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I am sorry i am concentrating on just one sentence. But I am sure that is a gross exaggeration.
Death statistics vs users certainly dont validate what you are saying. Sure, there are certain substances that get abused that have a higher mortality rate, but in general, i dont think its in the numbers you are suggestion. I understand you are also trying to caution people, and its a good thing. I do the same, but i also tell people exactly what its like from my perspective, and what i have experienced in terms of dangers etc

Where you get your figures from? I didnt know people place "i take LSD" on the census. As far as rehab goes its not an exaggeration (i worked at a psych specialist hospital so i have tons of experience here, there arent offical offical values and if people claim they warped because you cant account accurately for deaths). Look at all the under 30 cases of myocardial infarction resulting in death, 99% of those are substance related deaths (hell you can even go under 40). Usually the investigation ends there if foul play is not suggested. You cant isolate what substance caused it because A) the patient is dead and B) waste of lab time

Secondly why on earth are you even promoting LSD?

And I think it was banned because governments do not want want clever/awake/thinking type of voters around.

WHAT?
 
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It wasn't a statement. It was an opinion. OP asked "Do you think LSD has any benefits" and not "Does LSD have any benefits". Fact vs opinion. He asked for opinion.

Surprised that you guys did not pick that up, as anal as you are about details.

Opinions are not exempt from criticism, especially on a public forum.

Pardon me for calling it a statement. Whatever the correct term for your opinion, I think it's nonsense, sorry if that ruffles your feathers, can't help that.

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Anyway, sorry dude, I'm not meaning to fight with you, nor was my intention to be an ass.
 
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copacetic

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@ Riax, thanks for your interesting response, I've got one or two things to say, but I will do it in the morning!
 

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In an effort to lighten the mood :p

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It's pretty easy to find extensive information on the wide ranging benefits of entheogens.

No you should not use LSD, or any other narcotics. In the long run, they'll destroy you, no matter how good the short-term benefit might seem.
LSD isn't a narcotic. Think you've swallowed just a little too much of the drug war kool-aid.

LSD is an antipsychotic is was created for treatment of psychosis
No it wasn't.

because you have no idea what these okes are 'spiking' it with to improve the high, remember they care not for your health just your top dollar
It is one of the drugs least likely to be 'spiked' with anything.
 

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4. If the trip goes bad, have a Vitamin B3 ( Niacin/Nicotinic acid) injection ( and a "nurse" on standby ) ready to end the trip.

A standard 100mg Vit B3 pill that you can get at any chemist is fine - you don't need to inject. Inhaled nitrous oxide works even quicker and there's no chance of a minute or 2 of mild stomach cramps as with B3.

But great advice - Just knowing you can 'eject' at any given time often allows a person to travel further into their psyche without fear.
 
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