Do you think LSD has any benefits?

[AstroTurf]

Have you asked your friend what he feels like the next day or when the high is going down??
Not a very good feeling at all.... Everything that goes up must come down!

LSD Can not be addictive.
Try use it 3 nights in a row. The 3'rd night you may as well swallow a postage stamp.

As I strolled through the freshly greened woods filled with bird song and lit up by the morning sun, all at once everything appeared in an uncommonly clear light. Was this something I had simply failed to notice before? Was I suddenly discovering the spring forest as it actually looked? It shone with the most beautiful radiance, speaking to the heart, as though it wanted to encompass me in its majesty. I was filled with an indescribable sensation of joy, oneness, and blissful security.

Albert Hofmann...

Also, for reference and some interesting facts on LSD in America, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

 

[syntax]

Where you get your figures from? I didnt know people place "i take LSD" on the census. As far as rehab goes its not an exaggeration (i worked at a psych specialist hospital so i have tons of experience here, there arent offical offical values and if people claim they warped because you cant account accurately for deaths). Look at all the under 30 cases of myocardial infarction resulting in death, 99% of those are substance related deaths (hell you can even go under 40). Usually the investigation ends there if foul play is not suggested. You cant isolate what substance caused it because A) the patient is dead and B) waste of lab time

Secondly why on earth are you even promoting LSD?

I would actually say smoking and obesity would be a larger cause than narcotics for heart disease.

Secondly, Im not promoting LSD. Maybe re-read my first post. I do however promote accurate information.

 

[RiaX]

LSD isn't a narcotic

Are you high? LSD is a narcotic

I would actually say smoking and obesity would be a larger cause than narcotics for heart disease.

Not in young people, they increase risk, yes the average age for the diseases have dropped however not so young.

 

[copacetic]

Are you high? LSD is a narcotic

It very much depends what you mean by narcotic, as per the earlier discussion in the thread.

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I am still going respond to your other post!

 

[RiaX]

no its not subjective, a narcotic is a drug that interferes with the senses. Thats the definition period. Morphine, benzos, LSD are all narcotics

 

[copacetic]

no its not subjective, a narcotic is a drug that interferes with the senses. Thats the definition period. Morphine, benzos, LSD are all narcotics

Can you back this up with some dictionary definitions please? As far as I understand, narcotic is generally meant to indicate substances that induce drowsiness/sleep, and generally include things like opiates, tranquilizers, sleeping medications, etc. Alternatively, as a legal term in some parts of the world, it indicates any illegal drug.

*edit*

I've already provided these definitions somewhere else in the thread, so I am not talking out of my arse here. If there's more to it, I am happy to learn so.

 

[AstroTurf]

The possible short-term effects of LSD are -

a distorted perception of depth, time, and the size and shape of objects;

hallucinations (that is, stationary objects appear to be moving) (Generally the user knows that these effects are unreal; true hallucinations are relatively rare.);

heightened senses (sight, sound and touch); True

psychological or emotional effects such as anxiety, depression, dizziness, disorientation and paranoia; Only when those symptoms already exist in the user (or when the cops get involved)

physical effects such as dilated pupilsTrue, lowered body temperatureTrue, nausea , vomiting, profuse sweating, rapid heart rate; and convulsions; (when used in conjunction with other crap)

LSD use increases a person’s risk of injury, especially when the person drives a car, or performs other complex tasks such as operating machinery. So does alcohol, cough mixture, sinus tablets and many other things, besides only a real idiot would take acid then go to work
The possible long-term effects of LSD are -

a growing tolerance to the drug, which disappears quickly after use of the drug is stopped; true, not in a bad way though, try use it 3 nights in a row and you waste cash, try use it twice a month and you get a decent trip

flashbacks (that is, short-lived, intense re-experiences of part of a previous trip) which can occur days or even months after the last dose has been taken, leading to disorientation, anxiety and distress only if you are a really paranoid person. had flashbacks in many situations and besides it not being anywhere near as high as taking acid it's more like a sense of dejavu than anything else

prolonged anxiety and depression after use of the drug is stopped. only if you were depressed to begin with (LSD has nothing to do with this, it's how you were before you met lucy)

The physical dangers of the long-term LSD use are unknown. because there are none.

http://www.saps.gov.za/drugs/lsd.htm

Myself and many of my friends have used copious amounts of this stuff in the past. I have not in over 10 years but some of my friends still do, they still hold a steady job, get promoted, go through life just like the rest of us but seriously, read the electric coolaid acid test if you want to know where all the paranoia started.

 

[AstroTurf]

no its not subjective, a narcotic is a drug that interferes with the senses. Thats the definition period. Morphine, benzos, LSD are all narcotics

You are right (according to the Oxford English Dictionary).

But that would include everything that has or can have an effect on your senses (caffeine, nicotine, cough mixture, alcohol, anti histamines, anti depressants, ginseng to name a few).

Let's ban them all.

 

[RiaX]

Can you back this up with some dictionary definitions please? As far as I understand, narcotic is generally meant to indicate substances that induce drowsiness/sleep, and generally include things like opiates, tranquilizers, sleeping medications, etc. Alternatively, as a legal term in some parts of the world, it indicates any illegal drug.

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I've already provided these definitions somewhere else in the thread, so I am not talking out of my arse here. If there's more to it, I am happy to learn so.

Yes medically is a sleep induecing drug that alters the mind. Legally its a banned substance, that is correct. Does LSD fall in any of those categories? yes it does therefore its a narcotic

 

[RiaX]

You are right (according to the Oxford English Dictionary).

But that would include everything that has or can have an effect on your senses (caffeine, nicotine, cough mixture, alcohol, anti histamines, anti depressants, ginseng to name a few).

Let's ban them all.

all or nothing huh? okay lets ban medicine see how long you live

Its not banned because its a narcotic, its banned because its dangerous like heroin.

BTW caffiene is a stimulant :O it doesnt induece sleep nor is it banned soooo its not a narcotic. Just saying

 

[AstroTurf]

all or nothing huh? okay lets ban medicine see how long you live

Its not banned because its a narcotic, its banned because its dangerous like heroin.

BTW caffiene is a stimulant :O it doesnt induece sleep nor is it banned soooo its not a narcotic. Just saying

It's not banned because it's dangerous like heroin, it's banned because some 60's FBI agents had no idea how to deal with it. Read Tom Wolfe -The electric coolaid acid test then come back and we can have an INFORMED discussion.

LSD Certainly does not induce sleep so according to your definition it's either hypocrisy, or not a narcotic.

 

[copacetic]

Yes medically is a sleep induecing drug that alters the mind. Legally its a banned substance, that is correct. Does LSD fall in any of those categories? yes it does therefore its a narcotic

I personally make sure that if I am using words that have multiple potential meanings, to specify what I am trying to convey. In this regard the word narcotic does mean 2 very different things, and I think it matters which definition you are applying and why. I don't think the word narcotic has much meaning when used as a word for illegal drugs, as we already have a way to describe those substances (we call them illegal drugs). On the other hand, narcotic used as a descriptor for sleep inducing psychoactive substances is actually telling us something useful.

I don't care about being pedantically correct here, I care about making sense.

 

[RiaX]

It's not banned because it's dangerous like heroin, it's banned because some 60's FBI agents had no idea how to deal with it. Read Tom Wolfe -The electric coolaid acid test then come back and we can have an INFORMED discussion.

LSD Certainly does not induce sleep so according to your definition it's either hypocrisy, or not a narcotic.

Its banned therefore it falls as a narcotic, irrelevant of what may think.

Secondly dangerous doesnt only pertain to physical damage.

Tom Wolfe -The electric coolaid acid test then come back and we can have an INFORMED discussion.

Perhaps if you want to talk big about informed discussions with drugs then present pharmacology based journals and nothing else

 

[copacetic]

Perhaps if you want to talk big about informed discussions with drugs then present pharmacology based journals and nothing else

Well, considering the fact that LSD is banned throughout most of the world, 'legitimate' sources will not be the most obvious choice for obtaining practical information about said substance, surely?

 

[AstroTurf]

Its banned therefore it falls as a narcotic, irrelevant of what may think.

Secondly dangerous doesnt only pertain to physical damage.



Perhaps if you want to talk big about informed discussions with drugs then present pharmacology based journals and nothing else

In that case, go read some of Albert Hoffman's books and journals then get back to me.

Either way, you are talking from a biased and ignorant opinion. your "points" have no edge as they are based on hearsay.

 

[Sherbang]

Its banned therefore it falls as a narcotic, irrelevant of what may think.

Secondly dangerous doesnt only pertain to physical damage.



Perhaps if you want to talk big about informed discussions with drugs then present pharmacology based journals and nothing else

Here you go
http://www.maps.org/research/cluster/psilo-lsd/cns-neuroscience+therapeutics_2008-passie.pdf

Please show me where the word 'narcotic' appears, even once in this document...

 

[AstroTurf]

Here you go
http://www.maps.org/research/cluster/psilo-lsd/cns-neuroscience+therapeutics_2008-passie.pdf

Please show me where the word 'narcotic' appears, even once in this document...

I have been through this research in the past, Most of what I said was from memory although I did get quotes off the web.
lysergic acid diethylamide was one of my favorite topics (and pastimes) for many years. I even went looking for ergot at one stage but could never find it.

 

[copacetic]

Guys, regarding the narcotic thing, it's perfectly reasonable to use the word to denote (in a legal context) any illicit drug.

Although, people must be clear as to what they are trying to convey, as always...

 

[Skywalker42]

Defending LSD is no different from defending alcohol, smoking, cannabis, cocaine they all have positive sides.

btw jobs is dead

Steve Job's death had no connection whatsoever to LSD. Only his success had, according to himself.

And the man who discovered LSD lived to be 102

 

[murraybiscuit]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before. The value for me in any psychoactive substance is in studying its chemical properties in order to isolate potential pharmacological benefit. By banning the use of substances, we negate a lot of in-the-wild data, our ability to perform research and thereby our ability to benefit from the substances. Not only could this research have benefits for pharmacology, but also fields like the cognitive sciences, neurology, and bioethics.