Do you think LSD has any benefits?

[lestoran]

You cant extrapolate your experience as a norm .... are you high? as you can see out of the few people posting here one has already taken LSD and driven

We are in 100% agreement here. Driving while under the influence of anything mild altering is rather stupid. Bad I was young and dumb. I also drove slightly tipsy and stoned on a regular basis at that time of my life an consider myself lucky to never have been in an accident.

 

[syntax]

You cant extrapolate your experience as a norm .... are you high? as you can see out of the few people posting here one has already taken LSD and driven

And almost everyone has been over the alcohol limit and driven. If you do this, you should get punished. The simple answer is use responsibly. You seem to love retorting with "are you high???"

Have you ever been high? have you taken LSD or ecstasy? If so, how was it? Did you completely lose your mind and become a maniac?

 

[Unhappy438]

And LSD is suppose to make this go away?

No , you were the one that said people just pass out when they are drunk. I was just pointing out how wrong this statement is.

 

[RiaX]

We are in 100% agreement here. Driving while under the influence of anything mild altering is rather stupid. Bad I was young and dumb. I also drove slightly tipsy and stoned on a regular basis at that time of my life an consider myself lucky to never have been in an accident.

Hence why LSD is banned, you no the only 'I was young and dumb' person around.

And almost everyone has been over the alcohol limit and driven

NOt quite

Have you ever been high?

Yup, also what you trying to prove with this question?

have you taken LSD or ecstasy

Nope, im not stupid enough to take things made in a bathtub to alter my mind state.

you were the one that said people just pass out when they are drunk

Read within context I was actually explaining POTENCY of LSD.

see arguing for the sakes of it, absolutely pathetic. Not a single person has said anything constructive.

 

[zippy]

Yeah guys.. please go read that Wikipedia article again. Especially the part about what the term means "today".

And copacetic. Go read the OP again. He asked for an opinion. I gave it. Why do you need to brand me as ignorant? Can you not appreciate other people's viewpoints?

This is mybb, anyone with a different opinion ignorant or is forcing their views on others. Says a lot about why South Africa is such an intolerant country. Much like Russia, Iran, America

 

[Simpy]

Back to the original post -

No proven benefits that are documented in a scientific journal. (But I'm sure someone will scream to the heavens that there are)

Personal opinion - If you want to do it, Do it. Make sure you with the right ppl and a comfortable environment.

If you have ANY doubts in your mind. Walk away.

 

[RiaX]

Did you watch the documentry I put up ? there are over 20 000 scientific studies on LSD

 

[Sherbang]

Back to the original post -

No proven benefits that are documented in a scientific journal. (But I'm sure someone will scream to the heavens that there are)

It's difficult because it's been illegal to do research with it, hence no proven benefits that are documented in a scientific journal.
But recently, in the last few years, for the first time since the 70's, permission has once again been given for research to go ahead in the USA, the UK and Europe, so we should get results and know, one way or the other...

Psychiatrist Dr John Halpern, of Harvard medical school in the US, found that almost all of 53 people with cluster headaches who illegally took LSD or psilocybin, the active compound in magic mushrooms, obtained relief from the searing pain. He and an international team have also begun investigating whether 2-Bromo-LSD, a non-psychedelic version of LSD known as BOL, can help ease the same condition.

Studies into how the drug may be helping such people are also being carried out in the UK. Amanda Feilding is the director of the Oxford-based Beckley Foundation, a charitable trust that investigates consciousness, its altered states and the effects of psychedelics and meditation. She is a key figure in the revival of scientific interest in psychedelics and expresses her excitement about the initial findings of two overseas studies with which her foundation is heavily involved.

"One, at the University of California in Berkeley, was the first research into LSD to get approval from regulators and ethics bodies since the 1970s," she said. Those in the study are the first to be allowed to take LSD legally in decades as part of research into whether it aids creativity. "LSD is a potentially very valuable substance for human health and happiness."

The other is a Swiss trial in which the drug is give alongside psychotherapy to people who have a terminal condition to help them cope with the profound anxiety brought on by impending death. "If you handle LSD with care, it isn't any more dangerous than other therapies," said Dr Peter Gasser, the psychiatrist leading the trial.

At Johns Hopkins University in Washington, another trial is examining whether psilocybin can aid psychotherapy for those with chronic substance addiction who have not been helped by more conventional treatment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits

 

[Sherbang]

Depends how you look at an addiction. People may not neccessarily get addicted to the substance but rather the effect of the substance. Alcohol is not that addictive actually, its the intoxication that they are addicted to, the actual change in their mental state. Thats why people drink, blow some steam feel nice ect ect ect. Its also not fair to do a direct comparison of alcohol to LSD why? because of the number of users thats why.

:wtf: how can you say that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome

Excessive use of alcohol leads to tolerance, physical dependence, and an alcohol withdrawal syndrome. The withdrawal syndrome is largely due to the central nervous system being in a hyper-excitable state. The withdrawal syndrome can include seizures and delirium tremens and may lead to excito-neurotoxicity.[1]

Sedative-hypnotics such as alcohol are well known for their propensity to induce physiological dependence. Alcohol withdrawal occurs as a result of neuro-adaptation resulting from chronic exposure to alcohol. A withdrawal syndrome occurs upon declining blood levels of alcohol which can be alleviated by reintroduction of alcohol or a cross-tolerant agent. Alcohol withdrawal is characterized by neuropsychiatric excitability and autonomic disturbances similar to other sedative-hypnotic drugs. Dependence on other sedative-hypnotics increases the severity of the withdrawal syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome

 

[Sherbang]

It's difficult because it's been illegal to do research with it, hence no proven benefits that are documented in a scientific journal.
But recently, in the last few years, for the first time since the 70's, permission has once again been given for research to go ahead in the USA, the UK and Europe, so we should get results and know, one way or the other...



http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits

Did you watch the documentry I put up ? there are over 20 000 scientific studies on LSD

Not yet, will watch it when I get home later....

 

[AstroTurf]

:wtf: how can you say that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome

My Councilors/psychiatrists used to go on about physical, biological and psychological addiction.
Cocaine/crack for example releases all the dopamine in your brain and then closes the receptors which ends up with your body flushing instead of re absorbing the dopamine (or something like that, 15 years is a long time to remember something I now consider trivial in my day to day life).
they used to put weed and lsd into the "psychological addiction" category (you like it so therefore you want more).

Anyway, read the Tom Wolfe book I mentioned earlier, some pretty interesting experiments done by the merry pranksters and no, they did not have any qualifications, only personal experience.

 

[Sherbang]

My Councilors/psychiatrists used to go on about physical, biological and psychological addiction.
Cocaine/crack for example releases all the dopamine in your brain and then closes the receptors which ends up with your body flushing instead of re absorbing the dopamine (or something like that, 15 years is a long time to remember something I now consider trivial in my day to day life).
they used to put weed and lsd into the "psychological addiction" category (you like it so therefore you want more).

Anyway, read the Tom Wolfe book I mentioned earlier, some pretty interesting experiments done by the merry pranksters and no, they did not have any qualifications, only personal experience.

Yes, but RiaX was saying Alcohol is not addictive - it is. People have died from alcohol withdrawal!

Interestingly, LSD has been researched as a treatment for alcoholism, with positive results.

In a study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, researchers affiliated with the Norwegian University of Science and Technology and Harvard University looked at the results of six studies of LSD, conducted between 1966 and 1970, that were largely overlooked when they were first published. The researchers found "evidence for a clear and consistent beneficial effect of LSD for treating alcohol dependency," according to a written statement released by the journal's publisher.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/lsd-research-alcoholism-drinking-housewife_n_1335807.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/sp-rla030612.php

Regarding the lasting effects of the LSD experience in alcoholics, investigators of one trial noted, "It was rather common for patients to claim significant insights into their problems, to feel that they had been given a new lease on life, and to make a strong resolution to discontinue their drinking". And investigators of another trial noted, "It was not unusual for patients following their LSD experience to become much more self-accepting, to show greater openness and accessibility, and to adopt a more positive, optimistic view of their capacities to face future problems."

LSD interacts with a specific type of serotonin receptors in the brain, which may stimulate to new connections and open the mind for new perspectives and possibilities, Krebs explains. LSD is not known to be addictive or toxic to the body, but the LSD has striking effects on imagination, perception, and memories and can elicit periods of intense anxiety and confusion.

"Given the evidence for a beneficial effect of LSD on alcoholism, it is puzzling why this treatment approach has been largely overlooked," says Johansen. The authors suggest a number of reasons for this: many of the individual trials did not have enough patients to confidently conclude that there was a beneficial effect of LSD, but when pooled together the trials shows a clear and consistent effect; trial authors expected unrealistic results from a single dose of LSD and tended to discount moderate or short-term effects and; earlier non-randomized clinical trials reporting promising results but had methodological problems, creating the misunderstanding that well-designed studies did not exist or failed to find a beneficial effect. Finally, the complicated social and political history of LSD meant that obtaining regulatory approval for clinical trials became laborious, although national and international drug control measures have never banned treatment development or medical use of LSD.

Its unusual for a psychiatric medication to have a positive treatment effect lasting for several months after a single dose. Krebs and Johansen suggest that repeated doses of LSD coupled with modern, evidence-based alcohol relapse prevention treatments might provide more sustained results. They also note that plantbased psychedelics such as mescaline and ayahuasca which are used by Native Americans to promote mental health and sustianed soberity, merit further investigation for alcoholism treatment.

 

[AstroTurf]

Yes, but RiaX was saying Alcohol is not addictive - it is. People have died from alcohol withdrawal!

Interestingly, LSD has been researched as a treatment for alcoholism, with positive results.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/lsd-research-alcoholism-drinking-housewife_n_1335807.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/sp-rla030612.php

Yea I know, Just not in the mood for taking this particular and infinite debate to it's usual unresolved conclusion. I have made up my mind on several "drugs" in my life and this is one of them.
The conclusions are the same, the potential for harm to a user is still something unproven and I know that nobody has died from using it (the usual scare mongering about 40 years after use or whatever is bulldust, if that is why you want to get rid of it you are a hypocrite) same for the "what if the user drives or uses heavy machinery" garbage, if that is an issue ban some of the stuff that kill thousands of people monthly, not a drug that has possibly killed a thousand people indirectly in the last 20 years.

But whatever, I know how these debates go, I have no interest in "winning". My point has been made, as has yours and the millions of other people that have used LSD.

Why bother?

 

[essene]

I would suggest you try an ayahuasca ceremony from a reputable practitioner.

 

[AstroTurf]

I would suggest you try an ayahuasca ceremony from a reputable practitioner.

What for?
If anything I have learned that the use of paraphernalia or stimulants in an attempt to find some form of spiritual enlightenment is akin to trying to use a match underwater.

 

[RiaX]

I did not say its NOT addictive, i said its NOT THAT addictive. Thats perfectly true, how much alcohol have you consumed in your lifetime thus far? A couple of beers, even if you have everyday, you wont get physically addicted to the compound ethanol, but rather the habbit of drinking yes. You got to drink really hard for damage. Also note withdrawal is when you remove the substance of addiction, in simple terms ONCE THE PERSON IS ADDICTED. Must understand the concepts being typed here. Withdrawal is not a synonym for addiction, its a causative effect (symptom(s)) of removing a substance of addiction, refer to the addiction video I put up to see basically how addiction works in a nice simple manner

Look at your own reference you quoting, please read the FIRST word "EXCESSIVE", yes thank you please pay attention to things you read, we have a language which consists of words which mean something

 

[RiaX]

Not yet, will watch it when I get home later....

Thats the fairest most accurate documentry on LSD I could find. Not to mention the most scientifically sound

 

[Simpy]

Riax - Have you ever taken one?

 

[RiaX]

taken what?

 

[Synaesthesia]

Riax, I presume he means LSD, and to answer his question, no, Riax said to me he hasn't.

NY Times article on how psychedelic drugs might help patients to face death. I found it quite interesting.

Another random article I found was this one: an Erowid experience report in which the author, who had a hip replacement, claimed to feel no pain in his hip under the effects of MDMA and 4-ACO-DET (similar to mushrooms). This is purely anecdotal, but a week ago my girlfriend and I took LSD at Oppikoppi, she also had a hip replacement, and often suffers pain. She claimed to feel no pain in the LSD state.