Doctored qualifications: 'Dr' Daniel Mthimkhulu ordered to pay Prasa back R5.7m

[TheChamp]

What facts? Where?

Exactly.

 

[ForceFate]

OK where did you call me out, and what is wrong with that statement? Do you disagree with it and why?

All you did was troll, is that your way of calling people to order....really?

1) He was an external applicant. Quite possibly headhunted because he misrepresented his experience in addition to his academic credentials. A vetting process would have cleared this up. Was there even an interview? On paper, he was probably the top candidate (PhD in engineering, extensive experience in design and manufacturing, etc).
2) I brought Marietha into the argument to point out the absurdity of your post.

 

[Phylax]

1) He was an external applicant. Quite possibly headhunted because he misrepresented his experience in addition to his academic credentials. A vetting process would have cleared this up. Was there even an interview? On paper, he was probably the top candidate (PhD in engineering, extensive experience in design and manufacturing, etc).
2) I brought Marietha into the argument to point out the absurdity of your post.

BS!

He was employed because, firstly, he was a black individual, and secondly because he misrepresented his experience.
That is what BEE is all about.

 

[GhostSixFour]

BS!

He was employed because, firstly, he was a black individual, and secondly because he misrepresented his experience.
That is what BEE is all about.

Not picking a side here, just gonna say that it is rather pointless debating how/why he was appointed without having been privy to the conversations that was had.
Everyone is gonna debate out of their own biases, and there is never gonna be "winning" argument.

 

[ForceFate]

BS!

He was employed because, firstly, he was a black individual, and secondly because he misrepresented his experience.
That is what BEE is all about.

As per info available at the time, who else possessed a PhD from TÜM and experience gained from German engineering/logistics companies amongst the applicants? Any employer would have shortlisted him based on what he presented alone.

 

[ForceFate]

Not picking a side here, just gonna say that it is rather pointless debating how/why he was appointed without having been privy to the conversations that was had.
Everyone is gonna debate out of their own biases, and there is never gonna be "winning" argument.

Chances are that he wasn't even interviewed as everyone was impressed by what he presented on paper. An interview would have exposed his fraudulent claims.

Any company would have shortlisted him based on his academic achievements and experience alone, which proved to be fraudulent.

 

[mojoman]

As per info available at the time, who else possessed a PhD from TÜM and experience gained from German engineering/logistics companies amongst the applicants? Any employer would have shortlisted him based on what he presented alone.

Lol...some employers might have double checked to make sure no porkies were thrown in the mix....
Seems others not so much....

 

[GhostSixFour]

Chances are that he wasn't even interviewed as everyone was impressed by what he presented on paper. An interview would have exposed his fraudulent claims.

Any company would have shortlisted him based on his academic achievements and experience alone, which proved to be fraudulent.

Pure speculation. Like I say, pointless to debate this, as we have no facts. Unless someone from the hiring committee or the fraudulent Dr himself joins and explains.

 

[Phylax]

Not picking a side here, just gonna say that it is rather pointless debating how/why he was appointed without having been privy to the conversations that was had.
Everyone is gonna debate out of their own biases, and there is never gonna be "winning" argument.

Dude, it's Prasa, and they employ strictly BEE. It is as obvious as daylight that he got in because of the color of his skin...

It is really not about winning an argument for me, but about pointing out racism and discrimination!

 

[mojoman]

Dude, it's Prasa, and they employ strictly BEE. It is as obvious as daylight that he got in because of the color of his skin...

It is really not about winning an argument for me, but about pointing out racism and discrimination!

Dont waste your time mate. TIA...
Its what it is....Its not going to change anytime.

 

[GhostSixFour]

Dude, it's Prasa, and they employ strictly BEE. It is as obvious as daylight that he got in because of the color of his skin...

It is really not about winning an argument for me, but about pointing out racism and discrimination!

Meh. Whether they do or don't. In this case, it's speculation. The only thing that is being pointed out here, is biases, as there is no way of knowing the process that was or wasn't followed.
At least this dude faked some credentials and didn't get job purely cause his sister spent a night at Nkandla or something.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Chances are that he wasn't even interviewed as everyone was impressed by what he presented on paper. An interview would have exposed his fraudulent claims.

Any company would have shortlisted him based on his academic achievements and experience alone, which proved to be fraudulent.

The issue is that nobody did any sort of verification on his qualifications, and one would assume that should be standard practice for hiring anyone at his level (or even a person just claiming to be an Engineer)...

I've never ever been offered a job without going through a qualification verification exercise.

 

[Phylax]

As per info available at the time, who else possessed a PhD from TÜM and experience gained from German engineering/logistics companies amongst the applicants? Any employer would have shortlisted him based on what he presented alone.

Any employer, you say?!

Most employers would've done a background check, but we are talking about a state institution here. All they care about is the color of your skin and if a family member can somehow benefit out of the deal, and that's it!

If I'm a recruiter and I see qualifications like that, the very FIRST thing I would do is to do a check...

 

[ForceFate]

Lol...some employers might have double checked to make sure no porkies were thrown in the mix....
Seems others not so much....

Some would have. Others don't.

 

[ForceFate]

The issue is that nobody did any sort of verification on his qualifications, and one would assume that should be standard practice for hiring anyone at his level (or even a person just claiming to be an Engineer)...

I've never ever been offered a job without going through a qualification verification exercise.

I did touch in this point before someone brought colour into the mix. PRASA CEO at the time, as well as relevant execs are guilty here.

 

[Phylax]

Meh. Whether they do or don't. In this case, it's speculation. The only thing that is being pointed out here, is biases, as there is no way of knowing the process that was or wasn't followed.
At least this dude faked some credentials and didn't get job purely cause his sister spent a night at Nkandla or something.

They operate, like all state-owned organizations, it is obvious what process was followed or wasn't followed.

Nothing to do with biases, really. It is the ANC, and they do employ based on the color of your skin, and that is a fact!

 

[ToxicBunny]

Any employer, you say?!

Most employers would've done a background check, but we are talking about a state institution here. All they care about is the color of your skin and if a family member can somehow benefit out of the deal, and that's it!

If I'm a recruiter and I see qualifications like that, the very FIRST thing I would do is to do a check...

So actually no, its not the only thing they care about as a state institution... They still do have hiring procedures, and its obvious that these procedures were circumvented for this Fraudster... so beyond charging him with Fraud, they need to find out how the processes were circumvented and discipline the people involved as accessories to the crime... and if they're still employed by Prasa they need to be fired.

 

[mojoman]

Some would have. Others don't.

I fail to understand how you wouldnt check that someone of this 'calibre' actually has legit qualifications...
But we know the real reason...Someone was a tjommie...

 

[ForceFate]

Dude, it's Prasa, and they employ strictly BEE. It is as obvious as daylight that he got in because of the color of his skin...

It is really not about winning an argument for me, but about pointing out racism and discrimination!

A little over 8% of full time employees are white, of which approx 89% are male.

My internet is atrocious...

 

[mojoman]

A little over 8% of full time employees are white, of which approx 89% are male.

My internet is atrocious...
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