Doctored qualifications: 'Dr' Daniel Mthimkhulu ordered to pay Prasa back R5.7m

[Phylax]

It had to be his black skin. Not even corruption or any of that sort. I mean, why would they vet black people entering junior positions to his and not him? Wait...what?

And that is why BEE don't and won't ever work.

BEE is not meant for the normal\deserving black person.

Having a black skin is a very important and determining prerequisite, but you also have to be connected.

 

[ForceFate]

And that is why BEE don't and won't ever work.

BEE is not meant for the normal\deserving black person.

BEE is not EE/AA.

Having a black skin is a very important and determining prerequisite, but you also have to be connected.

Maybe where you work but elsewhere, things work differently.

 

[ForceFate]

Agree. Two of my mates have slowly been ditching tenders as it's such a mess. They are doing much better in the private sector but they still run into issues when trying to work in areas that were previously neglected due to politics.

By the way do you think we will ever ditch this us and them language?

Edit: double quoted

It's largely a political tool so I don't think it's going anywhere, irrespective of who's in charge.

 

[Phylax]

BEE is not EE/AA.

Maybe where you work but elsewhere, things work differently.

BEE/AA/EE all form the same racist handbook.

Yes, my company is pretty race obsessed. In the the the yearly meetings, they clap hands when shown there is only 5% white people employed...

I celebrate the fact that some companies still employ based on merit, but the bigger they get the more race obsessed they get too.

This racist government made racists out of many private companies.

 

[R13...]

What I said. But the first headhunt is for a black guy. They don't even look at the others till they can't find the black guy. I know. Been there and seen it.

And Ghordan approaching Solidarity as Eskom collapses around him is the biggest evidence of this

Yes, they'd prefer a black guy, but not just any black guy as you claim. That is the nonsense I refer to.

 

[TheChamp]

Your point being what?

Your point being what?
The graph shows clear government interference in the recruitment practices, forcing the company to represent the demography of South Africa.

Are you ok with these stats?

Yeah, I know, convenient confusion.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yes, they'd prefer a black guy, but not just any black guy as you claim. That is the nonsense I refer to.

I didn't claim that. Read my OP again. You always seem to have a problem comprehending what I write?

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

That would be great, but the real world works in subjective terms.

Yeah.
Real world or just RSA world ?
Dont be part of the problem.
Never accept incompetence.

 

[R13...]

Yeah.
Real world or just RSA world ?
Dont be part of the problem.
Never accept incompetence.

the world.

 

[ForceFate]

Yeah.
Real world or just RSA world ?
Dont be part of the problem.
Never accept incompetence.

What does "most suitable" mean in absolute terms? One with the most certificates, experience, projects under their wing, etc?

In reality, they look for education, experience and skills, best fit as well as cost to the business amongst other things. Not so?

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

the world.

Talks of "real world" as if to dismiss.
Cant grapple with real world ideal posited.
What did he mean by this ?

What does "most suitable" mean in absolute terms? One with the most certificates, experience, projects under their wing, etc?

In reality, they look for education, experience and skills, best fit as well as cost to the business amongst other things. Not so?

It means those things.
Not so.
Because this thread is about the entire system being circumvented.
Apparently.

 

[GrootVoet]

We have plenty of qualified black people in the country but the pressure is so great to appoint a suitable AA candidate that often qualification & experience are overlooked and the best candidate is not appointed, sometimes the worst guy will get the job.

Then you get cadre deployment where not even if you black helps, its your ANC membership that counts.

 

[ForceFate]

Talks of "real world" as if to dismiss.
Cant grapple with real world ideal posited.
What did he mean by this ?

It means those things.
Not so.
Because this thread is about the entire system being circumvented.
Apparently.

The most suitable person might actually be someone with the least workplace exposure in the shortlisted group. You look for other qualities in addition to education and experience. Recruitment is not a science.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

The most suitable person might actually be the least experienced in the shortlisted group. You look for other qualities in addition to education and experience. Recruitment is not a science.

So you are saying this guy should stay on ?
Also where does this "logic" come from ?
Give an example, relevant to this.

 

[ForceFate]

So you are saying this guy should stay on ?
Also where does this "logic" come from ?
Give an example, relevant to this.

Nope. I'm saying the "most suitable person" depends on a lot of factors.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Nope. I'm saying the "most suitable person" depends on a lot of factors.

Which is what i said.
One of them being, best suited.
Does not include corruption or incompetence though.
Those never make you best suited.

 

[ForceFate]

Which is what i said.
One of them being, best suited.
Does not include corruption or incompetence though.
Those never make you best suited.

Yes. I stated in my previous posts that "most suited" may be the guy with the least workplace exposure within the shortlisted group. You look for various other qualities if the job entails extensive interaction with various people/stakeholders at various levels. That's why the most technically adept engineer might not be a good fit for CEO position.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Yes. I stated in my previous posts that "most suited" may be the guy with the least workplace exposure within the shortlisted group. You look for various other qualities if the job entails extensive interaction with various people/stakeholders at various levels. That's why the most technically adept engineer might not be a good fit for CEO position.

Yes, you changed it.
But you said originally, least experienced.
Thats the example i was looking for.
Nevermind, my best suited does not need your explanation.
Best suited is best suited.

 

[ForceFate]

Yes, you changed it.
But you said originally, least experienced.

Yes..."in the shortlisted group". You missed this part.

The most suitable person might actually be someone with the least workplace exposure in the shortlisted group. You look for other qualities in addition to education and experience. Recruitment is not a science.

Thats the example i was looking for.
Nevermind, my best suited does not need your explanation.
Best suited is best suited.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Yes..."in the shortlisted group". You missed this part.

I never missed it.
Tell me how it benefits the employer ?
Or anyone in the chain of service.

It cant.