Does APPLE really care about AFRICA

MidnightWizard

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Following on from some of the other threads here .....

On this Apple page you can sign in to send a friend who lives in another part of the World a MAC product as a gift -- (yes yummy :) )

Cross Border

( Sounds like something to do with :eek: Homeland Security :eek:)


A quick look at the destinations will show -- Sorry folls we do NOT ship to your country :(

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I don't think Steve Jobs or Apple care one bit about Africa. Apple and Steve Jobs do not care about South Africa. The disproportionately high prices of Apple products in SA prove this.
 

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Does ANY business care about South Africa? I am not sure what you expect Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or any CEO of a major corporation to do. Business is in business to make money. South African companies has grown social reaponsibilty only to compensate for the pre 1994 looking the other way. So stop asking Apple Corp to give crap about 42 million people at the tip of Africa of which not even million are Apple consumers.

I own a Apple Iphone because it's a cool I accept that buying there products cost abit more and I am prepared to pay it.

So to the "ladies" that bitch & moans about Apple Inc not giving a crap STFU will you? Go ahead buy your Nokia's SonyEricsson and MicroSCUM products. Pay less and get what you pay for.

LADIES /he bows and leaves the room/ :p
 

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Not so much they do not care but the delivery systems in Africa leaves a lot to be desired.
 

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If you check the website countries like Indonesia Malaysia Philippines Thailand can't possibly have more Apple consumers than South Africa so why isn't South Africa listed.
Bill Gates has made a few trips to South Africa.
 

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If you check the website countries like Indonesia Malaysia Philippines Thailand can't possibly have more Apple consumers than South Africa so why isn't South Africa listed.
Bill Gates has made a few trips to South Africa.

NEWS FLASH those countries DO have more Apple Consumers than South Africa. You seem to forget that Apple Inc presence pre 1994 was via non authorized agencies. Bill Gates came to Africa to see who the people is that is pirating his software :rolleyes:
 

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According to ppl in the know, the Apple market in SA is about the same size as a medium university in the US. This is can be squarely blamed on Core's high prices.
 

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Does ANY business care about South Africa? I am not sure what you expect Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or any CEO of a major corporation to do.
So to the "ladies" that bitch & moans about Apple Inc not giving a crap STFU will you?
Go ahead buy your Nokia's SonyEricsson and MicroSCUM products. Pay less and get what you pay for.
LADIES /he bows and leaves the room/ :p

Please tell me which business you work for -- :confused:

Because I never want to deal with you or ever buy anything from you. :eek:

You see adversity -- a PROPER entrepreneur would see OPPORTUNITY :cool:

Sure it is about money -- about growing market share -- and you should be able to do that ANYWHERE (IF you were SERIOUS about your product)

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Does ANY business care about South Africa? I am not sure what you expect Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or any CEO of a major corporation to do. Business is in business to make money.

Businesses make money buy being in business and that means having returning customers. When a business shows it doesn't care how its official agents behave OR screws over its official agents I think it's fair to raise these issues. Does Apple USA care what is happening in SA? I don't think they care or care enough.

South African companies has grown social reaponsibilty only to compensate for the pre 1994 looking the other way. So stop asking Apple Corp to give crap about 42 million people at the tip of Africa of which not even million are Apple consumers.

This may be true, SA companies are pretty scummy - most of the time. The market is small and they aren't afraid of competition - look at the cell phone market - if you don't like your provider - you switch, meanwhile someone else switches to your old provider for the same reason because all 4 are equally bad. It's sad though that the economy isn't bad enough to bite hard into these SA companies.

I own a Apple Iphone because it's a cool I accept that buying there products cost abit more and I am prepared to pay it.

Who cares if the iPhone is cool or not. The latest generation isn't as cool anymore. The deal is that there are people interested in buying Apple products but they don't want to be shafted.

So to the "ladies" that bitch & moans about Apple Inc not giving a crap STFU will you? Go ahead buy your Nokia's SonyEricsson and MicroSCUM products. Pay less and get what you pay for.

Which is not what these people are bitching about. You obviously have no idea what they're on about. These are Apple fans who are bitching as you say and not Microsoft or Nokia fans, these people are upset because of the huge discrepancy between US (and international pricing) and local Apple prices. These stem from two sources. Either the authorised agent or reseller CORE is ripping people OFF or Apple is selling them stock at inflated prices.
Either way Apple doesn't seem to care how it rubs onto their name brand.

I've dealt with US companies where the CEO himself replied to my and reassured me of action. Yes, actually some companies especially American ones are like this. I don't want to name the people involved but CEOs out there read their letters and even if the CEO himself doesn't read it -- there is staff high up who do and who do respond at attempt to remedy the situation.

Personally I don't really care. I can buy Macs abroad if I really want - I could have a new Mac each month - or I could fly out myself and buy - but it seems less than ideal. We're after all not a 3rd world country who's just suffered a massive civil war with GDP levels in the lowest 20% - we're a country which is reasonably well off.
 

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The discrepency between USA prices & RSA on EVERYTHING is a issue. I have made peace with the fact that they will exist for time and eternity.

The war between Apple official agencies in this country will one day settle and then we will have MORE people taking advantage of us Apple users.

South Africans love to take the $ price and convert it t R and then say OMG look at the difference we are being ripped off.

A reasonable individual will take note of the following.

1. When you earn Dollars and pay for the goods in Dollars it cost just as much as it does to us.

2. When importing goods for sale in South Africa you have SARS & the courier to contend with. (A DVD I wanted to buy on Amazon cost $5 the postage and packaging cost $9)

So I know exactly what these people are on about. The simplifying something that is not simple and when somebody like YOU join in and make them think they are justified it fuels the fire of RSA people to bitch moan & groan about things they can do nothing about.

I accept the fact that you pay extra for Apple goods. American have been doing the same for years. So stop thinking YOU are being victimized. Apple MAC could have been bigger than DELL / MS / GATEWAY etc if it was not for the fact that Steve Jobs did not want his OS and hardware prostituted out. With a bigger market share comes better prices.

Everybody with half a brain knows that MAC products cost more the PC/Microscum goods ALL over the world.

I LOVE MY APPLE IPHONE and I am prepared to pay what I must for the privilege. It's the AMERICAN WAY ;)
 

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Please tell me which business you work for -- :confused:

Because I never want to deal with you or ever buy anything from you. :eek:

I am not in the selling business anyway you fail to recognize that business at the core are mercenary. Make as much money as possible. Social responsibility is a farce just there to keep the idiots in parliament happy and off there backs.

You see adversity -- a PROPER entrepreneur would see OPPORTUNITY :cool:
I beg to differ I do not see adversity. I am a realist I know I am being shafted I accept that at this point in time there is nothing I can do about and I live with it. Just like every other South African that goes to his local service station and fill up with fuel. You might not like it BUT YOU WILL PAY IT BOOOOYYYYYY :D

Sure it is about money -- about growing market share -- and you should be able to do that ANYWHERE (IF you were SERIOUS about your product)

MW

Apple is a very serious company and very serious about the product they produce. Since Steve Jobs returned to the helm of Apple Inc. They have grown in leaps and bounds they were on the edge of closing there doors at one stage. Apple's market share has grown unfortunately in South Africa not that much because people still want to compare a MAC with a PC.

Anyway next time you call TECH Support you might just be dealing with me whether you like it or not BOYYYYYY :D
 

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South Africans love to take the $ price and convert it t R and then say OMG look at the difference we are being ripped off.

The price these South Africans take is the US retail price, but it also works for Apple prices in the Emirates, Singapore, Brazil, HK, Malaysia etc.

We don't know what Amazon pays Apple for the stock, it's definately less than the retail price. We can also contend that if CORE is the Authorised Apple Reseller here in SA (Apple laptops sold by core are under warranty when you fly to NY) Core gets Apple stock at less than these retail prices.

Core does not go to an iStore and buy up stock then sell it here. If it does, then Apple is screwing us over. Get it?


A reasonable individual will take note of the following.

1. When you earn Dollars and pay for the goods in Dollars it cost just as much as it does to us.

I'm glad you mention reason because salaries in the US are HIGHER than in SA. I know my salary is over 5x. I also know that other peoples' salaries are in a similar range - I have numerous friends who've settled in the US.
Its the same for the EU.

Note that if you look at the salaries and the prices of products everything is cheaper in the US - cars are cheaper, electronics is cheaper and so on. I guess I could be defeating my own argument here but the point is that IF CORE is the approved authorised SA agent for Apple then Apple sells CORE stock at a lower price than retail, they certainly don't sell stock at a higher than retail price or CORE would buy direct from iStores. If Apple is doing that then Apple is saying a big F-YOU to SA fans and customers. If Core gets stock from Apple at a cheaper discounted rate and is not passing the savings to us then it's CORE's fault. Then Apple is guilty of going along with this daylight robbery. Either way Apple is damned.


2. When importing goods for sale in South Africa you have SARS & the courier to contend with. (A DVD I wanted to buy on Amazon cost $5 the postage and packaging cost $9)

When you import lots of stock - like say CORE does, you don't ship each piece by super expensive FedEX. It gets shipped in bulk by container ship at a reduced rate. Secondly the tax Core pays can be negotiated with SARS and will not be more than you pay - besides it is all VAT which you pay anyway at the end or most of it is VAT.


So I know exactly what these people are on about. The simplifying something that is not simple and when somebody like YOU join in and make them think they are justified it fuels the fire of RSA people to bitch moan & groan about things they can do nothing about.

Well they can't do anything about it short of boycotting Apple products or contributing lots of cash and funding an ad campaign against Apple/Core or taking one or the other to court and suing them. No-one will go that far, however in a free society people have the right to point out inconsistencies.


I accept the fact that you pay extra for Apple goods. American have been doing the same for years. So stop thinking YOU are being victimized. Apple MAC could have been bigger than DELL / MS / GATEWAY etc if it was not for the fact that Steve Jobs did not want his OS and hardware prostituted out. With a bigger market share comes better prices.

You haven't read what I've said. Apples don't cost more than non-Apples.
To compare a MBP you must take a high end SONY VAIO and these two cost the same - about R25,000-30,000. Don't compare a huge, low res, PC laptop with 1.5 hours battery life and junk build quality vs a Mac with a high res screen, 8 hours battery life, more solid feel, lighter build and a bigger HDD and better graphics card. What people are on about is the price discrepancy between identical products between SA and HK, Singapore and USA.

Everybody with half a brain knows that MAC products cost more the PC/Microscum goods ALL over the world.

They don't. A Dell Mac Pro workstation costs more or at least the same as a Mac Pro. A high end Vaio costs the same or more than a Mac Book Pro.
Apple just doesn't make cheap netbooks and cheap Celeron notebooks - they have a huge gap in their lineup. Everyone knows a Prius costs less than a i535 BMW but a high end Lexxus will also cost as much as an i535 and will have the same features.

I LOVE MY APPLE IPHONE and I am prepared to pay what I must for the privilege. It's the AMERICAN WAY ;)

Hardly. American consumers are the most price conscious in the world. They want cheap that's why the world is flooded with cheap junk from China and jobs are being moved out of the USA. You're pretty clueless, aren't you?

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The price these South Africans take is the US retail price, but it also works for Apple prices in the Emirates, Singapore, Brazil, HK, Malaysia etc.

We don't know what Amazon pays Apple for the stock, it's definately less than the retail price. We can also contend that if CORE is the Authorised Apple Reseller here in SA (Apple laptops sold by core are under warranty when you fly to NY) Core gets Apple stock at less than these retail prices.

Core does not go to an iStore and buy up stock then sell it here. If it does, then Apple is screwing us over. Get it?




I'm glad you mention reason because salaries in the US are HIGHER than in SA. I know my salary is over 5x. I also know that other peoples' salaries are in a similar range - I have numerous friends who've settled in the US.
Its the same for the EU.

Note that if you look at the salaries and the prices of products everything is cheaper in the US - cars are cheaper, electronics is cheaper and so on. I guess I could be defeating my own argument here but the point is that IF CORE is the approved authorised SA agent for Apple then Apple sells CORE stock at a lower price than retail, they certainly don't sell stock at a higher than retail price or CORE would buy direct from iStores. If Apple is doing that then Apple is saying a big F-YOU to SA fans and customers. If Core gets stock from Apple at a cheaper discounted rate and is not passing the savings to us then it's CORE's fault. Then Apple is guilty of going along with this daylight robbery. Either way Apple is damned.




When you import lots of stock - like say CORE does, you don't ship each piece by super expensive FedEX. It gets shipped in bulk by container ship at a reduced rate. Secondly the tax Core pays can be negotiated with SARS and will not be more than you pay - besides it is all VAT which you pay anyway at the end or most of it is VAT.




Well they can't do anything about it short of boycotting Apple products or contributing lots of cash and funding an ad campaign against Apple/Core or taking one or the other to court and suing them. No-one will go that far, however in a free society people have the right to point out inconsistencies.




You haven't read what I've said. Apples don't cost more than non-Apples.
To compare a MBP you must take a high end SONY VAIO and these two cost the same - about R25,000-30,000. Don't compare a huge, low res, PC laptop with 1.5 hours battery life and junk build quality vs a Mac with a high res screen, 8 hours battery life, more solid feel, lighter build and a bigger HDD and better graphics card. What people are on about is the price discrepancy between identical products between SA and HK, Singapore and USA.



They don't. A Dell Mac Pro workstation costs more or at least the same as a Mac Pro. A high end Vaio costs the same or more than a Mac Book Pro.
Apple just doesn't make cheap netbooks and cheap Celeron notebooks - they have a huge gap in their lineup. Everyone knows a Prius costs less than a i535 BMW but a high end Lexxus will also cost as much as an i535 and will have the same features.



Hardly. American consumers are the most price conscious in the world. They want cheap that's why the world is flooded with cheap junk from China and jobs are being moved out of the USA. You're pretty clueless, aren't you?

:)

I am not as clueless as you may think. Of cause Apple products cost more in than a normal PC in the US Check this out
Yes it from 2008 but again you can see MAC in general cost more.

The Hong Kong prices cannot be compared. Our total population is +/- 42 Million thats a city almost in the east :D (Joke) Compare countries with simular economies and population and THEN compare prices. Also the pirate and clone market in the East is rampant. compare Apple with Apples not Apples with Watermelon (Mr I can fly and go buy me a new one at anytime)

You seem intent on blaming CORE it seems you have decided to join the war on CORE. So give us all a break and go buy your Apple machine on your private Jetstream once a month.

The reality is that Apple MAC cost MORE than your average PC. The reality is that WE pay more for any product whether it is Broadband Internet, Apple products, Nike Shoes well any product ex USA/UK/Japan/China
 
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A reasonable individual will take note of the following.

1. When you earn Dollars and pay for the goods in Dollars it cost just as much as it does to us.

Um, no, how many in SA can buy a new Macbook for about a weeks pay? I can tell you far less than in the USA. I could when I was there but don't save nearly enough each month to do it here (in a similar job).

They have it easy in the US as far as cheap electronics (and most other stuff) goes.

Macbook
 

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bring on the wooden spoon...

Now I really don't want to get in the middle of a good old fashioned flame war, but I thought we'd try and get back on topic:

My take is that the cross border programme is a cheapskate way of allowing people to gift Apple goodies between countries and regions that have Apple Stores.

So Grandma lives in US of A and Grandkid lives in Ireland, so Grandma logs into the US Apple Store and buys Grandkid an iPod for his/her birthday, pays in US$. Grandkid is now owner of spiffy new iPod by popping into Apple Store in Ireland and taking delivery of said iPod.

Works great for Grandma, Grandkid and Apple since iPod sales increase by one and Grandma doesn't have to worry about exchange rates, taxes, FedEx and other hassles, and Grandkid gets a iPod with a local power adapter etc.
Apple probably does some accounting magic regarding stock transfers between regions and everyone benefits except maybe the taxman. And nobody cares if he looses out right.

Now everyone knows that Capetonians who live too close to the sea have had too many brain cells corroded by the salt air, that PeterCh is really Peter Cheales in forum drag, that crapy cheap celeron-m dells are cheaper than a macbook air, that Steve Jobs is only interested in IT markets where cheap black market liver transplants are to be had, and if windoze users were ever to to connect a mighty mouse to their PC, the CPU would explode!

Now leave me alone so I can go rag on someone in the linux thread.
 

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Now I really don't want to get in the middle of a good old fashioned flame war, but I thought we'd try and get back on topic:
This IS AFRICA - EVERYONE gets caught in the cross-fire :eek:
My take is that the cross border programme is a cheapskate way of allowing people to gift Apple goodies between countries and regions that have Apple Stores.
What is your point :confused:

DOES SA have an APPLE store :confused:

If not why not :(

IF so -- why NO shipping to SA :confused:
PeterCh is really that crapy cheap celeron-m dells are cheaper than a macbook air,
Steve Jobs is only interested in IT markets where cheap black market liver transplants are to be had.
That is a cheap shot breaking someones nom-de-guerre

Well then SA is the right place to be -- Unfortunately Mr Jobs appears to be VERY sick. Sort of like karma -- read the story of his life.

, and if windoze users were ever to to connect a mighty mouse to their PC, the CPU would explode!
Now leave me alone so I can go rag on someone in the linux thread.

We are NOT talking about Windows here -- just talking about MACS -- which we want but cannot afford.

Anyway if the CPU explodes we can just go and buy ten more ;)


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KZN air is more corrosive to the brain than Cape air!

What is your point :confused:

DOES SA have an APPLE store :confused:

If not why not :(

IF so -- why NO shipping to SA :confused:
South Africa does not have a direct Apple online presence. (The App Store and ZAStore definitely don't count!)
That is a cheap shot breaking someones nom-de-guerre
Go read the profile: PeterCH claims not to be Peter Cheales.
We are NOT talking about Windows here -- just talking about MACS -- which we want but cannot afford.
Anyway if the CPU explodes we can just go and buy ten more ;)
MW
You gotta see what happens when you get an email from a mac user on ur PC. It corrupts the outlook express address book - big time:p
 

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I am not Peter Cheales, folks. Also let's not get personal here and start throwing insults because I can throw those around too. Let's grow up and be mature about the issue without behaving like a group of school kids.

Again I AM NOT PETER CHEALES. I do not know the man. BTW I think he is doing a good job.
 

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I am not as clueless as you may think. Of cause Apple products cost more in than a normal PC in the US Check this out
Yes it from 2008 but again you can see MAC in general cost more.

The Hong Kong prices cannot be compared. Our total population is +/- 42 Million thats a city almost in the east :D (Joke) Compare countries with simular economies and population and THEN compare prices. Also the pirate and clone market in the East is rampant. compare Apple with Apples not Apples with Watermelon (Mr I can fly and go buy me a new one at anytime)

You seem intent on blaming CORE it seems you have decided to join the war on CORE. So give us all a break and go buy your Apple machine on your private Jetstream once a month.

The reality is that Apple MAC cost MORE than your average PC. The reality is that WE pay more for any product whether it is Broadband Internet, Apple products, Nike Shoes well any product ex USA/UK/Japan/China

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So yeah, you were saying???

BTW I'm not Peter Cheales, let's not get personal here. I don't know Peter Cheales and I don't consider it an insult to be called him but I'm not him. I don't see why you have to use ad hominem attacks to get any point across.

The war on Core?

I don't know. As said I'd like to know why CORE an authorised reseller/dealer/ambassador/etc of Apple in SA has such expensive prices.
I gave my reasons why Apple sucks, I said:

Core is an authorised agent. They don't buy stock from Apple at retail prices. They also get shipping discounts. Yet it is cheaper to buy a Mac at Amazon and have it shipped here by FedEx and pay CUSTOMS DUTIES AND VAT.

This is because either Apple is selling stock to CORE at higher prices and CORE has to sell expensive - I blame Apple or Core is taking an advantage of the situation (they're buying cheap stock from Apple Inc, they know that Apple won't ship direct to SA, they know that Amazon won't ship direct to SA and neither will B&H because of Apple's restrictive reseller agreements) and is reaping great profits - I blame Apple for not allowing 3rd parties to ship to SA direct or not allowing more authorised resellers in SA.
I don't really know which is the reason here, but Apple seems to suck here.


As for clones in the East - that is a watermelon vs apple argument. Mac OSX does not run officially on clones. You can get it to run but the idea of clones lowering prices is more likely to affect changes in the PC market and not the Apple one where its not easy to build a Hackintosh as it is to build a generic PC.

Note that I'm not going to insult you. I believe that we should speak here as mature people and not as schoolyard kids throwing mud at each other and laughing at each other's names. Yes I sometimes travel abroad - and yeah I can afford to buy a MBP - so what. That is irrelevant.
 
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