Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

[cerebus]

:crylaugh:

So Trump had to be told by the Russians about something that was already in the public domain. Kushner is in soooo much trouble now!

Hey man, the timeline observation is nothing more than an intriguing happenstance. It's impossible to know what happened in that meeting. But speculating that it's more likely that Trump emerged disappointed, and then immediately decided to fallback on plan B the emails, seems like some rather desperate and pathetic apologetics. It's equally likely that they did get some new information about the emails and decided to blab about it, because that's just the kind of person Trump is.

 

[Garson007]

because that's just the kind of person Trump is.

Your argument for /everything/ Trump.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Would trust them more than someone who is actually involved. Let me ask the Zuma's about their and the SA governments relationship with the Gupta's. What do you think they will say?

Precisely the point, they ARE involved. When you're pushing a narrative that hard despite not having any evidence for months on end your only motivation has to be the obedience of your paymasters.

The extent to which US mass media is owned by "democrats" is fairly well known, NYT making the allegation is every bit as trustworthy as a Russian lawyer denying it. Which is to say: not trustworthy at all.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Precisely the point, they ARE involved. When you're pushing a narrative that hard despite not having any evidence for months on end your only motivation has to be the obedience of your paymasters.

The extent to which US mass media is owned by "democrats" is fairly well known, NYT making the allegation is every bit as trustworthy as a Russian lawyer denying it. Which is to say: not trustworthy at all.

Nobody forced the individuals to lie.
They are lying of their own accord. Thereby creating smoke without fire?

Their stories change as soon as they are caught. Then change again, when they are caught again. Nobody is forcing them to do it.

 

[Garson007]

There are no changing stories.

 

[konfab]

Shame man, don't trigger the thought-police snowflakes.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

There are no changing stories.

There are constantly changing stories. Flynn, Sessions, Trump, Trump jr...the lot of them.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Nobody forced the individuals to lie.
They are lying of their own accord. Thereby creating smoke without fire?

Their stories change as soon as they are caught. Then change again, when they are caught again. Nobody is forcing them to do it.

Agreed, only that entire statement applies equally to Trump & co as it does the media ...

 

[cerebus]

Your argument for /everything/ Trump.

Well, it doesn't seem out at all out of character for Trump. This is the man who blurts out on Twitter at 2am that his offices were wire tapped by Obama, and spent years accusing Obama of faking his birth certificate, and said that he had witnessed thousands of Muslims cheering when the Twin Towers came down, and claimed that there were millions of illegal voters that lost him the popular vote, and just generally seems to blurt out whatever thought comes into his head anytime, with no concern for its validity. Your claim that any political campaign would have fact-checked information thoroughly before reporting it is completely out of touch with the nature of Trump's campaign.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Agreed, only that entire statement applies equally to Trump & co as it does the media ...

Last I checked, the media wasn't actually responsible for running the US government.

What's funnier than these clients getting caught in lies repetitively, is their defenders pointing the finger at someone else

/Awaits Twitter/Instagram/Facebook post of some liberal saying something stupid

 

[theratman]

Shame man, don't trigger the thought-police snowflakes.

So triggered​ right now.

 

[Xarog]

Hey man, the timeline observation is nothing more than an intriguing happenstance. It's impossible to know what happened in that meeting. But speculating that it's more likely that Trump emerged disappointed, and then immediately decided to fallback on plan B the emails, seems like some rather desperate and pathetic apologetics. It's equally likely that they did get some new information about the emails and decided to blab about it, because that's just the kind of person Trump is.

So the secret info Trump got from the Russians that Trump blabbed about was the info that was already available in public, cuz that's the kind of person Trump is?

:crylaugh:

 

[Garson007]

Your claim that any political campaign would have fact-checked information thoroughly before reporting it is completely out of touch with the nature of Trump's campaign.

Wait, wait. What's the claim being made here? I've never accused Trump of fact-checking. It's the anti-thesis of Trumpism.

 

[cerebus]

Wait, wait. What's the claim being made here? I've never accused Trump of fact-checking. It's the anti-thesis of Trumpism.

Oh, apologies, that was Xarog:

And again, if you think people release "dirt" of that sort without vetting the veracity of the allegations during an election campaign, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

 

[Xarog]

Oh, apologies, that was Xarog:

So why didn't Trump jump on the emails right away since it was damaging info about Hillary Clinton that was already in the public domain?

 

[konfab]

Last I checked, the media wasn't actually responsible for running the US government.

What's funnier than these clients getting caught in lies repetitively, is their defenders pointing the finger at someone else

/Awaits Twitter/Instagram/Facebook post of some liberal saying something stupid

CNN have tried to dabble in law enforcement lately though .

As for pointing fingers:

Hillary Clinton doesn’t believe she or her campaign made any significant mistakes in the 2016 election. But speaking at the Code Conference on Wednesday, she had a long list of others she blames for her defeat.

She points the finger at Russia, fake news, the sorry state of the Democratic Party, sexism, and the media that covered the email scandal “like Pearl Harbor,” among others.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/31/15719342/hillary-clinton-2016-excuses

The Wisconsin State Journal noted that Clinton was the first major-party nominee since 1972 to shun campaigning in the state.

http://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-losing-wisconsin-results-2016-11

 

[cerebus]

So why didn't Trump jump on the emails right away since it was damaging info about Hillary Clinton that was already in the public domain?

Well now, there's a good question. Why didn't he? Why did he wait until immediately after his son and other campaign officials met with the Russians? Who can really say?

 

[Xarog]

Well now, there's a good question. Why didn't he? Why did he wait until immediately after his son and other campaign officials met with the Russians? Who can really say?

I don't know, but it contradicts your depiction of Trump as a frothing hothead who can't hold back.

 

[cerebus]

I don't know, but it contradicts your depiction of Trump as a frothing hothead who can't hold back.

Not if he received new information in the meeting, it doesn't.


Also intriguingly, it was in July 2016 that Trump on stage told Russians to hack the contents of Hillary's emails.

Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing

 

[buka001]

Trump Jr release series of emails. In the email it explicitly says Russian Government Attorney.

Oh and the subject of the email is Russia-Clinton.

Email clearly states Russian government wishes to share this information because of its support for Trump.