Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

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OrbitalDawn said:
Nixon took 2 years to get ousted from the first Watergate articles coming out. Republicans backed him all the way.
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Clinton's impeachment took about a year, and the Democrats backed him all the way as well.
 
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Re-read the emails again.

Trump Jr had a phone call with the Russian popstar. So prior to the meeting he would have had some firsthand insight to what was going to be offered at this meeting.

Then miraculously nothing of substance happened?
 
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buka001 said:
Re-read the emails again.

Trump Jr had a phone call with the Russian popstar. So prior to the meeting he would have had some firsthand insight to what was going to be offered at this meeting.

Then miraculously nothing of substance happened?
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Trump Jr lied about the meeting all the way up to what is currently known, prior to each successive revelation. First he said the meeting never happened, then that it was about adoption, then information being offered but he didn't know the source, then only after the NYT email article, he attempted to show 'transparency' by publishing the extremely incriminating email chain in which it was clear that he expected to meet with Russian government officials to get damaging information as part of their campaign to help his father. Who really believes anything he says about what transpired in the meeting?

Although that said, I do think he was dumb enough to have listened to Natalia N.'s talk about the Magnitsky Act, failed to realize that she was offering a quid pro quo on US sanctions in exchange for information, and walked out of the meeting thinking she'd wasted his time blabbering on about adoptions. That much seems consistent with his general character.
 
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konfab said:
Clinton's impeachment took about a year, and the Democrats backed him all the way as well.
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Eh... Not just Democrats...

Polls conducted during 1998 and early 1999 showed that only about one-third of Americans supported Clinton's impeachment or conviction. However, one year later, when it was clear that House impeachment would not lead to the ousting of the President, half of Americans said in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll that they supported impeachment but 57% approved of the Senate's decision to keep him in office and two thirds of those polled said the impeachment was harmful to the country.
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Meh, can someone explain why good relationships with Russia is bad today?

The bloodthirsty sub-human Bolsheviks and Communists in Russia responsible for the biggest holocaust in human history are mostly gone and it is very unlikely that they will come back.

American and Russian relationships before the Bolshevik and Communist animals took over was pretty good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire–United_States_relations

A return to those good relations can only be good for the world.
 
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Techne said:
Meh, can someone explain why good relationships with Russia is bad today?
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Because ZORMG it's R-U-S-S-I-A!!!

Yeah I honestly also don't get it in the least. Especially when you consider all the buddy buddy treatment towards the world record holder in annual beheadings: Saudi Arabia.
 
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Because ZORMG it's R-U-S-S-I-A!!!

Yeah I honestly also don't get it in the least. Especially when you consider all the buddy buddy treatment towards the world record holder in annual beheadings: Saudi Arabia.
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Nothing wrong with good relationships with Russia. That's not what anybody is talking about. But if Russia worked to undermine the US elections, and colluded with Trump's campaign, it goes beyond good relationships into full-on ownership. If Russia has compromised the US president in ways that aren't yet apparent, it's a major problem for US security, and throws the nature of Trump's warmth towards Putin into serious question.
 
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Techne said:
Meh, can someone explain why good relationships with Russia is bad today?

The bloodthirsty sub-human Bolsheviks and Communists in Russia responsible for the biggest holocaust in human history are mostly gone and it is very unlikely that they will come back.

American and Russian relationships before the Bolshevik and Communist animals took over was pretty good.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire–United_States_relations

A return to those good relations can only be good for the world.
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Nice straw man.

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Especially when you consider all the buddy buddy treatment towards the world record holder in annual beheadings: Saudi Arabia.
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And people criticise that too.
 
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cerebus said:
Nothing wrong with good relationships with Russia. That's not what anybody is talking about. But if Russia worked to undermine the US elections, and colluded with Trump's campaign, it goes beyond good relationships into full-on ownership. If Russia has compromised the US president in ways that aren't yet apparent, it's a major problem for US security, and throws the nature of Trump's warmth towards Putin into serious question.
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If the sky came falling down we'd all be in very very deep trouble indeed. An inquiry should be set up immediately!
 
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If the sky came falling down we'd be all in very very deep trouble indeed. An inquiry should be set up immediately!
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Inquiries have already been set up and verified a lot of what I said above. Inquiries involving multiple US intelligence agencies, US sanctions, the firing of the FBI director, and personal investigations by his replacement; and a rather unfortunate email from Trump's son the last couple of days. Maybe you haven't been paying much attention?
 
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Inquiries have already been set up and verified a lot of what I said above. Inquiries involving multiple US intelligence agencies, US sanctions, the firing of the FBI director, and personal investigations by his replacement; and a rather unfortunate email from Trump's son the last couple of days. Maybe you haven't been paying much attention?
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I'm well aware of Mueller. I have yet to see him say a single thing. I will wait until such time as he can report back on whatever it is he is investigating.
 
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cerebus said:
if Russia worked to undermine the US elections
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A compromised US president would indeed be an issue, no question. But Russia working to undermine the election just makes them a shrewd international operator. The US routinely meddles in the election of other countries, hell they cause straight up coups, they do not get to complain about a potential taste of their own medicine for even a millisecond.

The anti-Russia brigade have jizzed their pants at every mention of Russia over the past 4 years or more though, it is certainly not limited to the US election.

- Russian involvement in Syria? ZORMG R-U-S-S-I-A!
- Russian involvement in Ukraine? ZORMG R-U-S-S-I-A!
- Russian media asking some probing question when the US bombs a MSF hospital for over an hour? ZORMG R-U-S-S-I-A!
- Hillary caught with her pantsuit down? ZORMG R-U-S-S-I-A!

It has become a joke, it is an obvious diversion tactic used by people who would rather you look elsewhere than inspect them too closely. The sad part is it desensitizes people to the point where even if Russia was guilty of something horrendous we would never know, we won't be able to see it through all the jizz the anti-Russia brigade keeps shooting all over the place.
 
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I'm well aware of Mueller. I have yet to see him say a single thing. I will wait until such time as he can report back on whatever it is he is investigating.
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Then don't make facetious statements.
 
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