Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

[OrbitalDawn]

Because time is a flat circle...

Trump Embraces Pat Buchanan, Who He Once Called “A Hitler Lover”

When he was first considering a run for the presidency in 1999, Donald Trump called conservative Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan “a Hitler lover.” But on Sunday night, Trump quoted a passage from an article Buchanan wrote in support of a border wall last week.

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That is the portion of the article Trump quotes in his tweets. Just a few paragraphs down, though, Buchanan explains that the real emergency at the border is not about crime or drugs—it’s about America becoming less white.

“Look, he’s a Hitler lover,” Trump said on Meet the Press. “I guess he’s an anti-Semite. He doesn’t like the blacks. He doesn’t like the gays. It’s just incredible that anybody could embrace this guy.”

Now, twenty years later, Buchanan is addressing his columns to Trump. In turn, the president who once said it was “incredible that anybody could embrace this guy” is embracing “that guy” and quoting approvingly from his latest racist screed.

 

[rietrot]

Because time is a flat circle...

Trump Embraces Pat Buchanan, Who He Once Called “A Hitler Lover”

Has Trump ever been serious with the way he insults people or has it always been over the top? I mean he call Warren, Pocahontas, is she now really Pocahontas, is this guy now really a Hitler lover? And so what if he is? Does that now imply he doesn't have valid points to make about the wall? Since when is stopping illegal immigration, racism? I propose you guys at least be consistent here and fight the correct fights. If you really want open borders, open the borders legally, for anyone and everyone to cross where ever they want. Remove the border completely, remove the concept of countries completely. Lets just have one big free open world.

 

[greg0205]

Siri, show me a picture that perfectly captures Donald Trump.

 

[Moosedrool]

Since when is stopping illegal immigration, racism?

I still don't think neoliberals see the word illegal.

 

[Techne]

Because time is a flat circle...

Trump Embraces Pat Buchanan, Who He Once Called “A Hitler Lover”

Everybody loves Hitler...using him in an argument... boom they win.

Argue against immigration, get called a Hitler lover, boom you lose.
Argue for a strong nation, get called a Hitler lover, boom you lose.
Even old OD here is a Hitler lover because look... mentioning Hitler he thinks it is relevant and winning.

 

[cerebus]

Everybody loves Hitler...using him in an argument... boom they win.

Argue against immigration, get called a Hitler lover, boom you lose.
Argue for a strong nation, get called a Hitler lover, boom you lose.
Even old OD here is a Hitler lover because look... mentioning Hitler he thinks it is relevant and winning.

Argue that Trump is undermining democracy, get told you think he's 'literally Hitler'.

 

[Techne]

Argue that Trump is undermining democracy, get told you think he's 'literally Hitler'.

Oh you Hitler lover you.

 

[Emjay]

Argue that Trump is undermining democracy, get told you think he's 'literally Hitler'.

Trump is undermining democracy? He has actually done nothing to that effect. He is merely posturing about it at this stage.

But, on the other hand, we have this.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/14...-trump-for-comey-firing/#.XDyD0qdFYeU.twitter

Admitting there is no actual evidence for their probe into whether Trump “worked for the Russians,” FBI officials instead cited their foreign policy differences with him, his lawful firing of bungling FBI Director James Comey, and alarm that he accurately revealed to the American public that he was told he wasn’t under investigation by the FBI, when they preferred to hide that fact.

When an agency can launch a counter intelligence operation on a sitting president with no evidence (and a retaliatory investigation at that), this is undermining democracy.

Mueller should be held to account to release his report. It's almost 3 years in now, and enough is enough.

 

[Unhappy438]

Trump is undermining democracy? He has actually done nothing to that effect. He is merely posturing about it at this stage.

Sounds like some kind of Zuma apologist speak.

But, on the other hand, we have this.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/14...-trump-for-comey-firing/#.XDyD0qdFYeU.twitter


When an agency can launch a counter intelligence operation on a sitting president with no evidence (and a retaliatory investigation at that), this is undermining democracy.

Im pretty sure there are some bad apples in the FBI, the CIA as well. Any illegal activity should be dealt with.

Mueller should be held to account to release his report. It's almost 3 years in now, and enough is enough.

Why? Because you say so? When given authorization to launch his investigation was he given a time frame? Did you shout about time frames during the investigations into Hillary? There is plenty precedent regarding the length of the investigation.

 

[Emjay]

Sounds like some kind of Zuma apologist speak.


Im pretty sure there are some bad apples in the FBI, the CIA as well. Any illegal activity should be dealt with.


Why? Because you say so? When given authorization to launch his investigation was he given a time frame? Did you shout about time frames during the investigations into Hillary? There is plenty precedent regarding the length of the investigation.

He says that I am being apologist when I have previously condemned a potentiality of an emergency declaration, and when there is no proof Trump has done this.
I show how an agency is undermining a democratically elected President through a counter intelligence investigation. Puts it down to "bad apples".
I ask for proof for all this (after three years) and then he raises a whataboutisim.

Not disappointed.

 

[Readsalot]

Video (on Twitter) of the dinner.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1084966474031292416

 

[Unhappy438]

He says that I am being apologist when I have previously condemned a potentiality of an emergency declaration, and when there is no proof Trump has done this.

No, what you do is use the words of some to form opinions on them whilst giving Trump a pass. That's apologist behavior.

I show how an agency is undermining a democratically elected President through a counter intelligence investigation. Puts it down to "bad apples".

No, you show how some people within an agency acted improperly.Some of them have been fired fyi.

I ask for proof for all this (after three years) and then he raises a whataboutisim.

Proof? No you demanded things be done in your time frame. Also that's not whataboutism, that's me showing there is precedent for lengthy investigations.

Not disappointed.

I am however.[/QUOTE]

 

[Emjay]

No, what you do is use the words of some to form opinions on them whilst giving Trump a pass. That's apologist behavior.



No, you show how some people within an agency acted improperly.Some of them have been fired fyi.

I don't care what you you think. And why don't you address the article I posted instead of attacking me?

When a Democratic President is sitting, and a Federal investigation is initiated on such a person with zero basis, the perpetrators should be fired, and then we can all agree to let the investigation to carry on for years and years, and use the investigation to fling mud. You see, you are so intent on trying to discredit me, that you can't even take a little dive into what I posted. If it does not even disquiet you a little, then we are done here.

You can be a little disappointed in your corner.

 

[greg0205]

Trump is undermining democracy? He has actually done nothing to that effect. He is merely posturing about it at this stage.

But, on the other hand, we have this.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/14...-trump-for-comey-firing/#.XDyD0qdFYeU.twitter



When an agency can launch a counter intelligence operation on a sitting president with no evidence (and a retaliatory investigation at that), this is undermining democracy.

Mueller should be held to account to release his report. It's almost 3 years in now, and enough is enough.

Actually, Mueller was appointed on May 17th, 2017, so the investigation is in its twentieth month, not its thirty sixth.

For context, Iran Contra ran for nearly seven years and Whitewater just over eight.

 

[cerebus]

Trump is undermining democracy? He has actually done nothing to that effect. He is merely posturing about it at this stage.

He's done plenty to that effect.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/salami-tactics-trump-norms-democracy.html

Instead, Trump has taken one step at a time, using his media allies to complicate the situation by maligning his adversaries (“Buildings in flames!”) and developing transparent excuses for his own actions (“We just want to restore order!”). And so the great American public is, like the hapless prime minister, simultaneously aware that something very bad is going on and utterly unsure what to do about it.

The second has to do with “normalization.” In the days and weeks after Trump was first elected, writers like Masha Gessen exhorted us not to treat Trump like any other president. In the way in which this fear was usually expressed, it has proved to be both too pessimistic and overly optimistic. It was too pessimistic because Trump’s behavior has proved to be so extreme, and the media so tightly tethered to traditional categories of what constitutes a scandal, that they still report on every one of his tweets with the shocked demeanor of a 1970s network anchor reining in a guest who insists on throwing F-bombs. Two years into Trump’s presidency, most media outlets thankfully cover him as the norm-breaking liar he obviously is.

Congressional Republicans have long since given up the pretense of exercising a check on the executive: Over the past days, key figures like Mark Meadows, the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, and Lindsey Graham, the influential senator from South Carolina, have actively started to lobby for the president to undermine their constitutionally mandated powers by declaring a national emergency. The White House is exercising more and more control of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Trump is starting to politicize the U.S. Army. And the naked partisanship of his judicial appointments provides reason to fear that the courts will, in time, prove to be less of a bulwark for traditional constitutional protections than many observers still assume.

 

[greg0205]

Video (on Twitter) of the dinner.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1084966474031292416

Turns out Alabama were the real winners here.

 

[konfab]

Argue that Trump is undermining democracy, get told you think he's 'literally Hitler'.

Argue that you should have a second referendum because you don't like the results of the first one and you are Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party.

 

[konfab]

He's done plenty to that effect.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/salami-tactics-trump-norms-democracy.html

And the naked partisanship of his judicial appointments provides reason to fear that the courts will, in time, prove to be less of a bulwark for traditional constitutional protections than many observers still assume.

Wait what? One of the biggest criticisms that people make of Trump's appointments is that they are originalists, that is they interpret the constitution as the writers of the constitution would have.
Which flatly contradicts that statement.
How can appointing people who very closely follow the wording of the constitution mean that the court is not going to be a bulwark against the executive?

Also, if you are looking for people who are undermining the constitution, you should look no further than people who want to increase gun control.

 

[Emjay]

Actually, Mueller was appointed on May 17th, 2017, so the investigation is in its twentieth month, not its thirty sixth.

For context, Iran Contra ran for nearly seven years and Whitewater just over eight.

Now now. Don't be dishonest Greg. The FISA application for surveillance on Carter Page was done in 2016. It's ok. The timeline is a little messy, so all is forgiven.

And I thought there is consensus that the FBI were winding down the investigation. Is this not the case now? Does the FBI have to set up more perjury traps?

He's done plenty to that effect.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/salami-tactics-trump-norms-democracy.html

Media rhetoric is undermining a democracy? Alright. Let's say I agree with it. Does the FBI's actions not make you uncomfortable or worry a little about the state of politics in the USA at present?

 

[greg0205]

Now now. Don't be dishonest Greg. The FISA application for surveillance on Carter Page was done in 2016. It's ok. The timeline is a little messy, so all is forgiven.

And I thought there is consensus that the FBI were winding down the investigation. Is this not the case now? Does the FBI have to set up more perjury traps?



Media rhetoric is undermining a democracy? Alright. Let's say I agree with it. Does the FBI's actions not make you uncomfortable or worry a little about the state of politics in the USA at present?

You know, if you tell the truth perjury *can't* be a trap.

And no Emjay. History will show the Special Counsel was appointed in May '17. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.