Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

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konfab

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Should i be flattered or offended that you think my house is just like the US border?
You are quite right there.
You, as the resident of your house, are not required to pay for the healthcare and welfare of anyone entering your property, legally or not.
That is not the case for the US border (or the border of any country with a welfare state).
 

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Should i be flattered or offended that you think my house is just like the US border?

You say walls don't work. Put your money where your mouth is.

How about this. A wall/fence with technology!? Now that sounds like a very secure border. Who would have EVER thought. See, that's the beauty of negotiating. Parties sit around a table and use their mouths to come up with some agreement that both parties can be happy with.

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Seems like the Left media are going after one of it's own. The intersectional coalition will eventually itself away.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/beto-orourke-funk-drive-2020/index.html

But the fact that he knows he has the freedom to cast about as a campaign-in-waiting forms, shows how much of his political identity is predicated on being white and male.

Sorry boys. The future of America should not be male. Your privilege means you need to shut up and take a back seat.
 

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You are quite right there.
You, as the resident of your house, are not required to pay for the healthcare and welfare of anyone entering your property, legally or not.
That is not the case for the US border (or the border of any country with a welfare state).

Yeah but lets try and keep the discussion to security at this stage.
 

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You say walls don't work. Put your money where your mouth is.

Where did i say walls dont work? I said the cost of Trumps wall on the US border doesnt reflect the gain provided. Besides why are you comparing my house to the US border when there are no comparisons to be had? Will the 6ft wall around my house (i actually live in a complex :p) work at the US border?

How about this. A wall/fence with technology!? Now that sounds like a very secure border. Who would have EVER thought. See, that's the beauty of negotiating. Parties sit around a table and use their mouths to come up with some agreement that both parties can be happy with.


Lol thats exactly what the democrats have proposed, a fence with technology :ROFL:.
 

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Where did i say walls dont work? I said the cost of Trumps wall on the US border doesnt reflect the gain provided. Besides why are you comparing my house to the US border when there are no comparisons to be had? Will the 6ft wall around my house (i actually live in a complex :p) work at the US border?

Lol thats exactly what the democrats have proposed, a fence with technology :ROFL:.

So you are saying that the argument is just about cost? Please show me.

Oh, and if a wall is racist, why are they proposing a fence?
 

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To put things into a little perspective.
Putting DACA on the table was a genius move if you've got your eye on 2020. $5 billion for DACA is chump change, and oddly enough since Trump started griping about the wall, his support among hispanics has shot up even before he added DACA to sweeten the pot...
 

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Putting DACA on the table was a genius move if you've got your eye on 2020. $5 billion for DACA is chump change, and oddly enough since Trump started griping about the wall, his support among hispanics has shot up even before he added DACA to sweeten the pot...

It's a joke.

Am trying to find some sort of signal as to what exactly the Democrats are open to. All I am getting is that they are not open to ANY barrier (which is not what Unhappy is saying).

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189549/trump-shutdown-announcement-deal-daca-democrats

1) Most obviously, the deal’s a non-starter because it still calls for money to fund a border wall.
After all, Trump’s unflinching demand for wall money — and Democrats’ refusal to approve it — is the main reason the government is shutdown in the first place.

Week after week, Democrats have signaled that there’s little room for negotiation on this issue. In Democratic leaders last meeting with Trump, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went so far as to say she wouldn’t agree to fund such a structure even after the government is opened. “The fact is, a wall is an immorality,” she said at a recent press appearance. “It’s not who we are as a nation.”

So, Unhappy, you are incorrect.

And this article is right below a very, very incorrect article about the incident with the MAGA kids this weekend. So, I really cannot even believe this. I am actually surprised it is still up on their website.

And, for fun:

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And this article is right below a very, very incorrect article about the incident with the MAGA kids this weekend. So, I really cannot even believe this. I am actually surprised it is still up on their website.
The left lost its mind. Kathy Griffith was calling for the kids to get doxed, there were several hollywood celebs calling for violence agains the kids; one even promised to send a personally autographed copy of all of his work to anyone who sent him a video of the kid taking a hit to the nads.

My twitter feed has turned into a total dumpster fire over this nonsense.
 

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Show you what?

This seems like another straw man, who said a wall was racist? Or is this the part where you interject the opinion of some crazy on twitter?

Ok, the wall is not racist. It is not morally correct.

The left lost its mind. Kathy Griffith was calling for the kids to get doxed, there were several hollywood celebs calling for violence agains the kids; one even promised to send a personally autographed copy of all of his work to anyone who sent him a video of the kid taking a hit to the nads.

My twitter feed has turned into a total dumpster fire over this nonsense.

I despise Hollywood more and more every day. They are so full of self serving idiots. They virtue signal and then go home to their lavish lifestyles, and everyone else laps up that nonsense. My only solace is that California is in a pretty mess at the moment. The place is looking like a dump from all the poor people in tents.
 

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It's a joke.

Am trying to find some sort of signal as to what exactly the Democrats are open to. All I am getting is that they are not open to ANY barrier (which is not what Unhappy is saying).

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/19/18189549/trump-shutdown-announcement-deal-daca-democrats



So, Unhappy, you are incorrect.

And this article is right below a very, very incorrect article about the incident with the MAGA kids this weekend. So, I really cannot even believe this. I am actually surprised it is still up on their website.

Im sorry but now im confused, im incorrect because you posted an article you really cannot believe? What am i incorrect about?

Ok, the wall is not racist. It is not morally correct.

What?
 

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Im sorry but now im confused, im incorrect because you posted an article you really cannot believe? What am i incorrect about?

What?

Lol thats exactly what the democrats have proposed, a fence with technology :ROFL:.

Do the Democrats want to build a barrier or not? You have made statements that they have offered Trump what he wants, but that the issue is down to the cost. So, please can you back up this statement with a link to show that the Democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the southern border.

And, are you playing stupid? The Democrats are saying that the wall is morally questionable and "not what America is all about".
 

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Not everything he does is bad.

'People will end up dying': Trump's cuts devastate clinics in Zambia

t is under-fives week at Zambia’s Nyangwena health centre and, outside in the morning sunshine, women are taking turns to weigh their babies. A noisy toddler wriggles as his mum places him into the harness of a set of scales. Measurements are taken and, afterwards, ice lollies handed out to children.


Reaching families in the surrounding rural communities is a major challenge for staff at the centre, and, after outreach services were stripped back, things are getting worse.


It is one year since devastating cuts to family planning services, imposed by Donald Trump, took effect. Already, Esther Zulu, clinical officer at Nyangwena, worries staff are seeing more young mothers. The number of teenage pregnancies recorded at the centre has doubled, from eight in 2017 to 16 in 2018.


Meanwhile, the number of people taking tests for sexually transmitted infections and HIV has slumped. “People will only come if they are not feeling well,” says Zulu.


Until November 2017, a project run by Planned Parenthood Association of Zambia (PPAZ) would offer HIV testing in homes, distribute condoms in the community, and give family planning information to teenagers in schools.

Such work was halted by the Mexico City policy, or “global gag rule”, signed two years ago by Trump, which blocked US funds to any organisations involved in abortion advice and care overseas. The policy has been imposed by Republican presidents since Ronald Reagan in 1984, but Trump’s measure was more wide-reaching than ever before. Campaigners estimated that 15 times more funding would be affected. Women’s rights groups and health experts warned that progress on family planning, population growth and reproductive rights would be swept away.


Rural areas such as Nyangwena, which were once prioritised by US aid, are thought to have been hardest hit. Here in Rufunsa district, and across Chongwe and Livingstone, projects tackling teenage pregnancies and HIV, run by PPAZ, were all cut. The organisation, which is a member of the International Planned Parenthood Federation, lost almost half of its annual operating budget in 2017, with access to a $3.8m (£3m) fund cut off.


More than 70 community members – who, in exchange for a small monthly stipend, provided a range of outreach care – were let go. Seventeen staff members lost their jobs. Salome Sichali, programme office at PPAZ, cried when she told the community. “There were 70-plus people whose lives were shattered, and abruptly.”


Community leaders asked how people would be able to access services or condoms, which PPAZ had been making available at collection points in shops and near to bars. Today, the entire district of Rufunsa, home to 68,000 people, receives government packages of up to seven boxes, each containing 144 condoms every month. These are shared between 23 health facilities.
 

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Do the Democrats want to build a barrier or not? You have made statements that they have offered Trump what he wants, but that the issue is down to the cost. So, please can you back up this statement with a link to show that the Democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the southern border.

They are willing to build a barrier but not in the same fashion as Trump, ive already posted a link to show the democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the border. Here is another one though - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...wall-democrats-security-solutions/2512363002/

And, are you playing stupid? The Democrats are saying that the wall is morally questionable and "not what America is all about".

The main argument is that the wall is ineffective and expensive, the secondary argument from some Democrats is that its immoral. I dont agree with this second argument fyi but what i think may or may not be an argument is that Trumps reasons for building it is immoral.
 

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They are willing to build a barrier but not in the same fashion as Trump, ive already posted a link to show the democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the border. Here is another one though - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...wall-democrats-security-solutions/2512363002/

The main argument is that the wall is ineffective and expensive, the secondary argument from some Democrats is that its immoral. I dont agree with this second argument fyi but what i think may or may not be an argument is that Trumps reasons for building it is immoral.

From your own article.

, with five Republicans voting in favor, would have devoted $1.3 billion for fencing and more for border security. The bill would have funded the Department of Homeland Security at current spending levels through Feb. 8 – but it would include no funding for Trump's border wall, which is at the heart of the current government shutdown.

I really don't understand why all parties cannot each get what they want. None of these proposals seem unreasonable. But, a deal will never be reached if the Democrats don't even sit down and try reach some sort of compromise.
 

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How is the wall supposed to save billions of dollars? Does Trump then intend on cutting the number of person and/or equipment after it is built? Suppose if he did reduce the number of illegals he could claim benefits in more hire American by forcing Americans into the jobs illegals take up. Not sure they'd be willing to work for the same wages.
 

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From your own article.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ts-want-reopen-shuttered-agencies/2463374002/

I really don't understand why all parties cannot each get what they want. None of these proposals seem unreasonable. But, a deal will never be reached if the Democrats don't even sit down and try reach some sort of compromise.

They have already compromised:

• More than $1.3 billion for new fencing in the Rio Grande Valley and funding to replace secondary fencing in San Diego and other existing pedestrian fencing.

• $366.5 million for border security technology.

• $7.7 million to hire 328 additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection customs officers.

• $224.6 million for "non-intrusive Inspection equipment" at ports of entry.

• $7.08 billion for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Seems like a good proposal.
 

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How is the wall supposed to save billions of dollars? Does Trump then intend on cutting the number of person and/or equipment after it is built? Suppose if he did reduce the number of illegals he could claim benefits in more hire American by forcing Americans into the jobs illegals take up. Not sure they'd be willing to work for the same wages.
Prevents illegals from gaining access to various forms of social security for one.

They have already compromised:

Seems like a good proposal.
:ROFL:

I think the MAGApedes are looking for something substantial instead of a PR fig-leaf.
 
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