Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

[Emjay]

They have already compromised:

Seems like a good proposal.

And is not what Trump asked for.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/The-Worlds-Most-Geopolitically-Charged-Pipeline.html

Russia’s proposed pipeline to bring more gas from Russian fields into Europe via an undersea pipeline to Germany seems to be unable to shake both geopolitical maneuvering as well as headline-grabbing quotes from both sides of the divide.
On Thursday, Wolfgang Ischinger, chairman of the Munich Security Conference, and a seasoned diplomat said Germany should finish the Russian-backed Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline despite U.S. opposition and growing domestic concerns, but future energy projects should be coordinated by the EU.
He added that the initial “birth defect” of the $11 bn pipeline project was the fact that European treaties had allowed the German government to deem the project as purely commercial. He also added, (what U.S. government officials have been claiming for quite some time, but most EU officials have been denying) that it was clear such a large project clearly had a political nature, particularly given Russia’s annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014 and other actions in recent years.
The Nord Stream 2 pipeline has also been a point of contention, perhaps even on a personal level, between Trump and Germany as well. In a televised meeting with reporters and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg before a NATO summit in Brussels last year, Trump said it was “very inappropriate” that the U.S. was paying for European defense against Russia while Germany, the biggest European economy, was supporting gas deals with Moscow. Russia, for its part and unsurprisingly, deems the pipeline as a purely commercial venture.

If Trump was really a Putin puppet, how come he's torpedoing deals that heavily favour Russian geopolitics?

Of course, by now everyone should have realised that the Russian collusion narrative was a big fat Democrat hoax.

 

[Techne]

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Schmucky Schumer, not the brighest guy around. With Nancy in the mix they make the Orange Buffoon look like a genius. Shame, this the best the Democrats can do. Hopefully pocahontas and AOC will come and save the day.

 

[Unhappy438]

And is not what Trump asked for.

Shem.

 

[Cray]

And is not what Trump asked for.

So compromise is something only one side should do?

 

[Emjay]

Shem.

You are for walls, just not this one because Trump?

 

[Unhappy438]

You are for walls, just not this one because Trump?

I think ive made my views crystal clear at this stage, im for financially sensible border security. I think the money would be better spent on other ways which i have already listed.

 

[Emjay]

I think ive made my views crystal clear at this stage, im for financially sensible border security. I think the money would be better spent on other ways which i have already listed.

Yeah, sure. "More financially sensible border security". Ok.

 

[Pitbull]

I think ive made my views crystal clear at this stage, im for financially sensible border security. I think the money would be better spent on other ways which i have already listed.

That's like saying: "Let's not build houses from bricks, it's too expensive. Let's rather stay in stick and mud houses"

 

[Emjay]

That's like saying: "Let's not build houses from bricks, it's too expensive. Let's rather stay in stick and mud houses"

They are talking about trying to secure a massive part of the border using electronic surveillance. And some here think it's going to be more financially sensible. What a joke.

 

[C4Cat]

I'm pretty sure this has been posted here on this thread before, but @Emjay, I think you need a refresher:

https://www.facebook.com/apatrick/posts/10100902776405671

It's a facebook post from Amy Patrick, an actual wall expert, in which she explains why the this wall idea is not feasible, is much more complicated and potentially much, much more expensive than proposed.

I’m a licensed structural and civil engineer with a MS in structural engineering from the top program in the nation and over a decade of experience on high-performance projects, and particularly of cleaning up design disasters where the factors weren’t properly accounted for, and I’m an adjunct professor of structural analysis and design at UH-Downtown. I have previously been deposed as an expert witness in matters regarding proper construction of walls and the various factors associated therein, and my testimony has passed Daubert.

Am I a wall expert? I am. I am literally a court-accepted expert on walls.

Structurally and civil engineering-wise, the border wall is not a feasible project. Trump did not hire engineers to design the thing. He solicited bids from contractors, not engineers. This means it’s not been designed by professionals. It’s a disaster of numerous types waiting to happen.

This is why it would be stupid to put any money in the budget for a wall. It's not about getting back at Trump, or not being interested in border security. It's that the idea is a stupid one. Even if it could be built in budget and in Trump's lifetime, which it can't, it will do nothing to increase border security. I mean you could use a drone like this but really, all you need is a ladder! If border security is really the issue here then there are far better ways of tightening up security than wasting money on a wall.

 

[Unhappy438]

That's like saying: "Let's not build houses from bricks, it's too expensive. Let's rather stay in stick and mud houses"

How is modern day electronics and futuristic technologies the same as sticks and mud? If anything the ancient wall idea is the mud and stick version.

They are talking about trying to secure a massive part of the border using electronic surveillance. And some here think it's going to be more financially sensible. What a joke.

You realize the cost of the wall will be at least 25 billion?

 

[Emjay]

I'm pretty sure this has been posted here on this thread before, but @Emjay, I think you need a refresher:

https://www.facebook.com/apatrick/posts/10100902776405671

It's a facebook post from Amy Patrick, an actual wall expert, in which she explains why the this wall idea is not feasible, is much more complicated and potentially much, much more expensive than proposed.

This is why it would be stupid to put any money in the budget for a wall. It's not about getting back at Trump, or not being interested in border security. It's that the idea is a stupid one. Even if it could be built in budget and in Trump's lifetime, which it can't, it will do nothing to increase border security. I mean you could use a drone like this but really, all you need is a ladder! If border security is really the issue here then there are far better ways of tightening up security than wasting money on a wall.

I think I will prefer to listen to the DHS. But thanks anyway.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

The Bottom Line:

Walls Work. When it comes to stopping drugs and illegal aliens from crossing our borders, border walls have proven to be extremely effective. Border security relies on a combination of border infrastructure, technology, personnel and partnerships with law enforcement at the state, local, tribal, and federal level. For example, when we installed a border wall in the Yuma Sector, we have seen border apprehensions decrease by 90 percent. In San Diego, we saw on Sunday that dilapidated, decades-old barriers are not sufficient for today’s threat and need to be removed so new – up to 30 foot wall sections can be completed.

 

[Techne]

Loomer got in an early start:

Unrelated:

Poor Loomer, the immigrants from the South that Emanuel Celler fought to get in America don't appear to be too friendly to semites. Tough times ahead for her kind. Hopefully Israel will be a safe space for her etc.when they return to their country.

 

[Pitbull]

They are talking about trying to secure a massive part of the border using electronic surveillance. And some here think it's going to be more financially sensible. What a joke.

Again, the comparison is spot on. Having a wall, will be much less costly in the long run than having electronic monitoring. Simple as that.

 

[C4Cat]

I think I will prefer to listen to the DHS. But thanks anyway.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

Did you read the post linked to in my post?

 

[Pitbull]

How is modern day electronics and futuristic technologies the same as sticks and mud? If anything the ancient wall idea is the mud and stick version.

I think you're not understanding the comparison.

A house built of sticks and mud needs constant maintenance, and upkeep. (Your idea will end up cost vastly more than the inset cost of building and maintaining a wall.

Brick houses don't need much maintenance compared to a stick a mud house.

 

[Unhappy438]

Again, the comparison is spot on. Having a wall, will be much less costly in the long run than having electronic monitoring. Simple as that.

This article would be a good one for you to read: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...e-need-smart-wall-will-hurd-column/539618001/

 

[R13...]

I think you're not understanding the comparison.

A house built of sticks and mud needs constant maintenance, and upkeep. (Your idea will end up cost vastly more than the inset cost of building and maintaining a wall.

Brick houses don't need much maintenance compared to a stick a mud house.

You'd still need electronic monitoring of a wall though. Otherwise it gets undermined unless you have more people walking the wall. I've seen border guards chasing down people trying to breach the current wall from electronic surveillance info.

 

[Unhappy438]

I think you're not understanding the comparison.

A house built of sticks and mud needs constant maintenance, and upkeep. (Your idea will end up cost vastly more than the inset cost of building and maintaining a wall.

Brick houses don't need much maintenance compared to a stick a mud house.

You think Trumps wall wont require much maintenance? Btw my idea doesn't require the government buying up loads of private land or concerns over construction ect. So the comparison doesn't make sense at all.