Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

[Unhappy438]

Read this Pitbull and you will see why the wall will require plenty of maintenance: http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_26244767/rains-smugglers-damage-us-mexico-border-fence

 

[Pitbull]

Read this Pitbull and you will see why the wall will require plenty of maintenance: http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_26244767/rains-smugglers-damage-us-mexico-border-fence

I don't agree

But I guess you have a picture of a 6 foot fence in your head. If built correctly, with already daily patrols, this should not be an issue.

 

[konfab]

I'm pretty sure this has been posted here on this thread before, but @Emjay, I think you need a refresher:

https://www.facebook.com/apatrick/posts/10100902776405671

It's a facebook post from Amy Patrick, an actual wall expert, in which she explains why the this wall idea is not feasible, is much more complicated and potentially much, much more expensive than proposed.
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I’m an adjunct professor of structural analysis and design at UH-Downtown.

You do know adjunct professors are basically the slave labour of academia. If she was from the "top" program for civil and structural engineering engineering, she wouldn't be an adjunct professor.

Though adjuncts hold at least a master's degree, if not a PhD, the salary for these positions is relatively low. Many adjuncts must work at several schools at once in order to earn a living in academia. Adjunct pay in state and community colleges varies; however, it can be as little as US$1,400 for a 3-credit hour lecture-based course. At many private institutions on the East Coast, payment for a 3-credit hour course hovers around US$3,000–4,000, with average pay nationwide as of 2014 estimated at around US$2,000–3,000.[17] By contrast, tenure-track faculty at many major universities often only teach two or three 3-credit-hour courses per semester, while earning vastly higher salaries. (However, at many institutions, tenure-track faculty are also typically required to produce a wide array of research; represent the school by attending academic conferences and presenting their research; mentor and supervise graduate students; obtain grants and other funding for the school; perform administrative duties; and other responsibilities that adjunct faculty do not have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjunct_professors_in_North_America

My father served many times as an expert witness in court when structures collapsed, including walls. (hint, most of them are retaining walls). Yet somehow, I don't think his opinion on whether the border would have been as viral as this one.

The opinion I would value would be the engineer in charge of Israel's border wall.

 

[Unhappy438]

I don't agree

But I guess you have a picture of a 6 foot fence in your head. If built correctly, with already daily patrols, this should not be an issue.

So you reckon nobody will try and go over it, under it or smash through it? There is no way daily patrols can prevent that and daily patrols certainly cant prevent acts of god.

 

[Pitbull]

So you reckon nobody will try and go over it, under it or smash through it? There is no way daily patrols can prevent that and daily patrols certainly cant prevent acts of god.

Ofc people will try. But you daily patrols. This isn't some fence you can just cut through. They will be caught, and eventually give up. Why does a wall in Israel work so wonderfully? And that wall has taken a pretty beating, I doubt even the Cartels can amass such assaults on the wall. The issue here, from my view is not so much the drugs and the cartels. It's illegal immigrants.

Obviously the Cartels will find ways to get the drugs in, they always do. They don't need to break a wall to do it though.

 

[C4Cat]

You do know adjunct professors are basically the slave labour of academia. If she was from the "top" program for civil and structural engineering engineering, she wouldn't be an adjunct professor.

Interesting that you left out everything else in that paragraph as if being an adjunct professor of structural analysis and design was the total of her credentials.

 

[ISP cash cow]

You do know adjunct professors are basically the slave labour of academia. If she was from the "top" program for civil and structural engineering engineering, she wouldn't be an adjunct professor.

I thought Adjunct professors were just non-tenure professors?

Usually in the U.S. your Professors are granted tenure whereas adjunct professors are just put on limited contract.

 

[konfab]

Interesting that you left out everything else in that paragraph as if being an adjunct professor of structural analysis and design was the total of her credentials.

Adjunct professors do not get paid well. Why would someone who is supposedly at the top of her field decide to get paid like garbage and work horrible hours.

"Take the medical opinion of this doctor, who spends most of their time working as a receptionist"

 

[konfab]

I thought Adjunct professors were just non-tenure professors?

This is an illuminating article on them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...professors-homeless-sex-work-academia-poverty

I don't think this applies to the wall expert, but I wouldn't put adjunct professor on my CV if it meant associating myself with people whose degrees are worth less to humanity than their genitals.

 

[C4Cat]

Ofc people will try. But you daily patrols. This isn't some fence you can just cut through. They will be caught, and eventually give up. Why does a wall in Israel work so wonderfully? And that wall has taken a pretty beating, I doubt even the Cartels can amass such assaults on the wall. The issue here, from my view is not so much the drugs and the cartels. It's illegal immigrants.

Obviously the Cartels will find ways to get the drugs in, they always do. They don't need to break a wall to do it though.

The wall in Israel is a small part of a broader overall strategy which requires the conscription of every Israeli citizen into the military to ensure border security. Let's not forget that. The wall in Israel is less than half the size of what Trump want's to build, which itself is half the size of the US/Mexico border (IIRC). Israel also maintains total military and political control on both sides of the wall. Unless you envisage US military going into Mexico to control the population on that side of the wall, it won't be nearly as effective.

 

[C4Cat]

Adjunct professors do not get paid well. Why would someone who is supposedly at the top of her field decide to get paid like garbage and work horrible hours.

"Take the medical opinion of this doctor, who spends most of their time working as a receptionist"

So instead of focusing on your disgust at her credentials, you focus on the points she raised with regards to the building of the wall?

 

[Unhappy438]

Ofc people will try. But you daily patrols. This isn't some fence you can just cut through. They will be caught, and eventually give up. Why does a wall in Israel work so wonderfully? And that wall has taken a pretty beating, I doubt even the Cartels can amass such assaults on the wall. The issue here, from my view is not so much the drugs and the cartels. It's illegal immigrants.

Obviously the Cartels will find ways to get the drugs in, they always do. They don't need to break a wall to do it though.

Holes dug under the wall will be an absolute nightmare to deal with and not much daily patrols can do to stop it. This analysis is pretty good on breaking down the comparisons between the US wall proposal and other countries wall including Israel. Give it a read when you get a chance: http://hir.harvard.edu/article/?a=14542

 

[konfab]

So instead of focusing on your disgust at her credentials, you focus on the points she raised with regards to the building of the wall?

Ok then, lets have a look at the non-engineering things first.

Another thing: we are not far from the day where inexpensive drones will be able to pick up and carry someone. This will happen in the next ten years, and it’s folly to think that the coyotes who ferry people over the border won’t purchase or create them. They’re low enough, quiet enough, and small enough to quickly zip people over any wall we could build undetected with our current monitoring setup.

That is just stupid.

Another thing: we are not far from the day where inexpensive drones will be able to pick up and carry someone. This will happen in the next ten years, and it’s folly to think that the coyotes who ferry people over the border won’t purchase or create them. They’re low enough, quiet enough, and small enough to quickly zip people over any wall we could build undetected with our current monitoring setup.

And it won’t be effective. I could, right now, purchase a 32 foot extension ladder and weld a cheap custom saddle for the top of the proposed wall so that I can get over it. I don’t know who they talked to about the wall design and its efficacy, but it sure as heck wasn’t anybody with any engineering imagination.

She should come and live in South Africa. She can live in a house with no walls, or a house with a wall and see how happy she is at night. No-one is saying that a wall is an impermeable barrier. However it is more difficult than not having a wall and just walking over.

I’m a structural forensicist, which means I’m called in when things go wrong. This is a project that WILL go wrong. When projects go wrong, the original estimates are just *obliterated*. And when that happens, good luck getting it fixed, because there aren’t that many forensicists out there to right the ship, particularly not that are willing to work on a border wall project— a large quotient of us are immigrants, and besides, we can’t afford to bid on jobs that are this political. We’re small firms, and we’re already busy, and we don’t gamble our reputations on political footballs. So you’d end up with a revolving door of contractors making a giant, uncoordinated muddle of things, and it’d generally be a mess. Good money after bad. The GAO agrees with me.

The structural engineering parts of the wall are pretty simple (ego, China managed to build a wall before the invention of finite element analysis). The difficult part of wall design is when you have to design a retaining wall holding back a whole bunch of dirt (and water). That is most likely the sector where this woman operates, as she said, small firms.

It will mess with our ability to drain land in flash flooding. Anything impeding the ability of water to get where it needs to go (doesn’t matter if there are holes in the wall or whatever) is going to dramatically increase the risk of flooding.

That is the only part of her analysis that is actually a valid engineering concern IMO. Then again, you can apply that argument to just about every single large structure on the planet, which includes all roads and highways. You have to do a fun process called river-morphology (which is a field that Albert Einstein's son worked in btw), to determine the total amount of water that the structure will dam up. But this is a problem just about every road engineer has to solve, so it really isn't that much of an issue.

 

[AlmightyBender]

So ridiculous that we are debating the merits of a wall to solve a problem that does not exist...

• Lowest levels of immigration, both legal and illegal, in two decades
• Low unemployment and thriving economy requires more workers
• Immigrants improve the IQ levels and literacy rates of the US (this one is a joke, I think. Defs for Florida)

So the reason to say no to the wall or barrier is because it is not needed. $5b could pay the life long wages and infrastructure required for hundreds of teachers or nurses. You guys talk about it like it is peanuts money. It is not.

 

[TysonRoux]

She should come and live in South Africa. She can live in a house with no walls, or a house with a wall and see how happy she is at night. No-one is saying that a wall is an impermeable barrier. However it is more difficult than not having a wall and just walking over.

True.
Are South Africans with their high walls with electrified tops racist?

The structural engineering parts of the wall are pretty simple (ego, China managed to build a wall before the invention of finite element analysis). The difficult part of wall design is when you have to design a retaining wall holding back a whole bunch of dirt (and water). That is most likely the sector where this woman operates, as she said, small firms.

Even the Great Wall of China was breached.

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/military-defense/genghis-khan.htm

 

[cerebus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1087327713277460481

 

[Techne]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1087327713277460481

Ooh brilliant! She is almost guaranteed to care more for immigrants and minorities than the average toxic American native. Excellent!

 

[cerebus]

Giuliani changed the timeline of Trump's Moscow tower talks until just before the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Giuliani quoted the president as saying that the Trump Tower Moscow discussions went on “from the day I announced to the day I won.”


The new timetable means that Mr. Trump was seeking a deal at the time he was calling for an end to economic sanctions against Russia imposed by the Obama administration. He was seeking a deal when he gave interviews questioning the legitimacy of NATO, a favorite talking point of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. And he was seeking a deal when, in July 2016, he called on Russia to release hacked Democratic emails that Mr. Putin’s government was rumored at the time to have stolen.

 

[Techne]

It is almost time for the Russians to Make America Great Again. 2020 is coming.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

@greg0205 I hate to break it to you, but Youtube is unabashedly left leaning and LWT must be seriously stepping the mark to get on the radar since youtube is so busy demonetizing alternative channels and outright depersoning edgy content creators.

That's not remotely true. The YT algorithm pushes right and far right content to an insane extent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-youtube-pulled-these-men-down-a-vortex-of-far-right-hate
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018...ation-algorithm-favors-conspiracy-videos.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/world/europe/youtube-far-right-extremism.html