Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

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OrbitalDawn

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You are really small minded and your world view is very limited. Very typical Progressive traits.

Maybe you should go look up how many Democrats were for building the wall. And then you want to preach to me about how I should expand my reading sources. Maybe you stop listening to people like Cardi B. LMAO.

Whining and waffling, not a single refutation or substantiation. Can't say I'm surprised.

Trump put a new deal on the table on Saturday iirc, which was summarily rejected. He suggested that the White House would be willing to cede ground on an extension on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Act, and offer help for Temporary Protected Status holders, in return for $5.7 billion in funding for the border wall. Seems like a really good compromise, don't you think? It will help protect Americans and at the same time help many illegal immigrants. It was so generous that the Conservatives are unhappy with the deal.

It's a worse "deal" than one he himself rejected earlier. And he's the one that ended DACA and TPS. So his "concession" is that he wants to put a band aid on a problem he created himself? Please.

Emjay said:
So, yes, this is all politics to hurt Trump. I am happy to say that blame lies 50/50. You on the other hand will fail to see what this is. Please tell me what the Democrats stand for in terms of immigration? A fence? No wall? No fence? Seems like the excuses are all over the place. And there is zero willingness to even compromise and everyone is losing.

They've been consistent for years.

Look at one of the most bipartisan attempts at immigration reform, introduced by Schumer, which includes a lot of border security!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borde...ty,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013

Any attempt at immigration reform (which always includes lots of conservatives policies and border security) gets scuppered by the hard right.

Another look at other attempts, that were also sabotaged by the hard right.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/2/17509726/congress-fail-immigration-again

Do the Democrats want to build a barrier or not? You have made statements that they have offered Trump what he wants, but that the issue is down to the cost. So, please can you back up this statement with a link to show that the Democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the southern border.

And, are you playing stupid? The Democrats are saying that the wall is morally questionable and "not what America is all about".

Schumer and Pelosi offered him $25bn for his wall, which he first said he'll take, and then rejected when Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and hard right whined about it.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ave-accepted-democrats-border-wall-offer.html

Fully expect you to ignore literally everything we've provided you in future and complain again about "Why won't Democrats play nicely with Mr. Trump?!?!"

They are talking about trying to secure a massive part of the border using electronic surveillance. And some here think it's going to be more financially sensible. What a joke.

Tell me something - why do you think the single Republican congressman (Will Hurd) that represents more than a third of the entire border, opposes the wall, ran on that explicitly, and won?

Why do you think every single representative (both R and D) whose constituencies make up the border oppose the wall, ran on that, and won?

Why do you think the border region voted most strongly for O'Rourke in the Texas senate race?

Why do you think Republicans refused for 2 years to do anything to fund the wall when they had unified government?
 

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Do you even read what you're responding to? How does claims about the behaviour of the algorithm refute what he said about demonitisation/depersoning? :sneaky:
 

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Do you even read what you're responding to? How does claims about the behaviour of the algorithm refute what he said about demonitisation/depersoning? :sneaky:

He said YT is "unabashedly left leaning". It isn't. Its core product spits out right wing material at a rate of knots.
 

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He said YT is "unabashedly left leaning". It isn't. Its core product spits out right wing material at a rate of knots.
I hate to break it to you, but Youtube is unabashedly left leaning and LWT must be seriously stepping the mark to get on the radar since youtube is so busy demonetizing alternative channels and outright depersoning edgy content creators
The bold part is accurate, and the censorship is basically one-way and against the right. The algorithm doesn't make political decisions, it just tracks what people watch and how long they watch it and then makes predictions regarding what else people will like based on the hit/miss ratio of previous predictions. On the other hand, it's ideologically motivated humans that get to decide what gets censored/limited stated/demonitised/banned, and if you think that these people are partisan in favour of the right, I have a bridge to sell you.
 

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The bold part is accurate, and the censorship is basically one-way and against the right. The algorithm doesn't make political decisions, it just tracks what people watch and how long they watch it and then makes predictions regarding what else people will like based on the hit/miss ratio of previous predictions. On the other hand, it's ideologically motivated humans that get to decide what gets censored/limited stated/demonitised/banned, and if you think that these people are partisan in favour of the right, I have a bridge to sell you.

It isn't, and no isn't.
 

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As expected, Trump's 'offer' is a complete horseschit and a bad faith attempt to mangle the asylum process.


The Republican bill containing the President’s “offer” to reopen the govt makes extreme changes to the asylum system, including forbidding entirely asylum applications by Central American minors at the border or other ports of entry.
 

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The bold part is accurate, and the censorship is basically one-way and against the right.

If you watched any left leaning YT channels you'd know that isn't remotely true. The likes of David Pakman, Secular Talk and Young Turks were severely demonetized during the so-called 'adpocalypse' for instance. And none of them whined about being persecuted, like the right leaning channels did.
 

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Whining and waffling. Didn't read. Don't care. I can dig through all the sources I have found to refute you, but it is not worth the effort. I have previously gone into depth refuting your nonsense and you ignore it. And I think I am having deja vu as I have said this before. No thanks. Not worth engaging. And I think this is something others no longer do either. You make sweeping stereotypes, and then clutch your pearls when people judge you.

I actually hope the shutdown continues for weeks. Governments worldwide are bloated. Build the wall. Don't. I doubt it (or any other measures) will ever be a huge deterrent. Instead, we can all pontificate over a wall, surveillance, a wall or surveillance. But, the illegals will still come in, lower wages, increase crime, and put a drain on public resources (see the latest in teacher's strikes? Bet you didn't). That free healthcare and education dream for all is being killed via a thousand cuts. Each illegal immigrant coming in is making sure it does.

Sez you. What's the delivery address for that bridge? :sneaky:

Don't you think it's so funny about how he does it right after accusing me of doing the same? I shall dub thee the King of Hypocrisy on MyBB.

Moving onto more interesting things.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...s-by-digging-into-clinton-obama-controversies

Graham, a close ally of President Trump’s, has outlined several areas he wants to probe now that he has the Judiciary Committee gavel.

They include the FBI’s handling of its investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant applications targeting former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.

This is going to be fun.
 

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If you watched any left leaning YT channels you'd know that isn't remotely true. The likes of David Pakman, Secular Talk and Young Turks were severely demonetized during the so-called 'adpocalypse' for instance. And none of them whined about being persecuted, like the right leaning channels did.
I'm on YT a fair bit and I know that certain right channels have had a hard time but as I understand it it's youtube themselves rather than the algorithm.

I watch and enjoy the odd right leaning show and I get recommended some very far right content from the algorithm due to this. Which is pretty annoying tbh but that's YT.
 

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I'm on YT a fair bit and I know that certain right channels have had a hard time but as I understand it it's youtube themselves rather than the algorithm.

I watch and enjoy the odd right leaning show and I get recommended some very far right content from the algorithm due to this. Which is pretty annoying tbh but that's YT.

What channels do you think are far right?
 

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What channels do you think are far right?
The Daily Wire often pops up in my recommended. Having watched some it is at least imo a far right leaning channel. The rest are more videos recommended than channels that are complete hogwash. Fortunately I'd rather deal with that than some of the extreme left which I don't really get.
 

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The Daily Wire often pops up in my recommended. Having watched some it is at least imo a far right leaning channel. The rest are more videos recommended than channels that are complete hogwash. Fortunately I'd rather deal with that than some of the extreme left which I don't really get.
That's left leaning. Geez when you are so far left that classical liberals appear far right.
 

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If you watched any left leaning YT channels you'd know that isn't remotely true. The likes of David Pakman, Secular Talk and Young Turks were severely demonetized during the so-called 'adpocalypse' for instance. And none of them whined about being persecuted, like the right leaning channels did.
Probably because they weren't also getting harassed with BS community guideline strikes and having channels banned and so forth? I don't see the right-wing equivalents of the SPLC and ADL getting to moderate the Youtube community's videos like the left gets to do to the right on Youtube. I haven't heard of leftwing channels having their subscribers purged in massive amounts the second they post a video because their presence on youtube was undesireable, but I did hear about that on the right. And so on.
 

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https://disobedientmedia.com/2019/01/death-of-russiagate-mueller-team-tied-to-mifsuds-network/

In April last year, Disobedient Media broke coverage of the British involvement in the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, asking why All Russiagate Roads Lead To London, via the quasi-scholar Joseph Mifsud and others.

The issue was also raised by WikiLeaks’s Julian Assange, just days before the Ecuadorian government silenced him last March. Assange’s Twitter thread cited research by Chris Blackburn, who spoke with Disobedient Media on multiple occasions covering Joseph Mifsud’s ties to British intelligence figures and organizations, as well as his links to Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign, the FBI, CIA and the private cyber-security firm Crowdstrike.

We return, now, to this issue and specifically the research of Chris Blackburn, to place the final nail in the coffin of the Trump-Russia collusion charade. Blackburn’s insights are incredible not only because they return us to the earliest reporting on the role of British intelligence figures in manufacturing the Trump-Russia collusion narrative, but because they also implicate members of Mueller’s investigation. What we are left with is an indication of collusion between factions of the US and UK intelligence community in fabricating evidence of Trump-Russia collusion: a scandal that would have rocked the legacy press to its core, if Western establishment-backed media had a spine.

In Disobedient Media’s previous coverage of Blackburn’s work, he described his experience in intelligence:

“I’ve been involved in numerous investigations that involve counter-intelligence techniques in the past. I used to work for the 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism, one of the biggest tort actions in American history. I helped build a profile of Osama bin Laden’s financial and political network, which was slightly different to the one that had been built by the CIA’s Alec Station, a dedicated task force which was focused on Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. Alec Station designed its profile to hunt Osama bin Laden and disrupt his network. I thought it was flawed. It had failed to take into account Osama’s historical links to Pakistan’s main political parties or that he was the figurehead for a couple of organizations, not just Al-Qaeda.”

“I also ran a few conferences for US intelligence leaders during the Bush administration. After the 9/11 Commission published its report into the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon it created a public outreach program. The US National Intelligence Conference and Exposition (Intelcon) was one of the avenues it used. I was responsible for creating the ‘View from Abroad’ track. We had guidance from former Senator Slade Gorton and Jamie Gorelick, who both sat on the 9/11 Commission. We got leaders such as Sir John Chilcot and Baroness Pauline Neville Jones to come and help share their experiences on how the US would be able to heal the rifts after 9/11.”

“The US intelligence community was suffering from severe turf wars and firewalls, which were hampering counter-terrorism efforts. They were concentrating on undermining each other rather than tackling terrorism. I had mainly concentrated on the Middle East, but in 2003 I switched my focus to terrorism in South Asia.”

Counter Terrorism, Not Counter Intelligence, Sparked Probe

In an article published by The Telegraph last November, the paper acknowledged the following:

“It forces the spotlight on whether the UK played a role in the FBI’s investigation launched before the 2016 presidential election into Trump campaign ties to the Kremlin… Mr. Trump’s allies and former advisers are raising questions about the UK’s role in the start of the probe, given many of the key figures and meetings were located in Britain… One former top White House adviser to Mr. Trump made similar insinuations, telling this newspaper: “You know the Brits are up to their neck.” The source added on the Page wiretap application: “I think that stuff is going to implicate MI5 and MI6 in a bunch of activities they don’t want to be implicated in, along with FBI, counter-terrorism and the CIA.” [Emphasis Added]

The article cites George Papadopoulos, who asked why the “British intelligence apparatus was weaponized against Trump and his advisers.” Papadopoulos has also addressed the issue at length via Twitter. In response to the Telegraph’s coverage of the issue, Chris Blackburn wrote via Twitter: “The Telegraph story on Trump Russia acknowledges that activities involving counter-terrorism are at the heart of the scandal…not counter-intelligence. If the [London Centre for International Law Practice] was British state, not private, some Commonwealth countries are going to be seriously pissed off.”

Blackburn spoke with Disobedient Media, saying: “If you factor in the dreadful reporting to discredit Joseph Mifsud and leaks, it is pretty clear something rather strange happened to George Papadopoulos during the campaign while he was shuttling around Europe and the Middle East. He was working with people who have intelligence links at the London Centre of International Law Practice. A recent article in The Telegraph also alludes to MI5, MI6, and CIA using counter-terrorism assets which would tie into the London Centre of International Law Practice (LCILP), and its sister organizations, doing counter-terrorism work for the Australian, UK and US governments. They quote anonymous officials who believe that their intelligence agencies used counter-terrorism personnel to kick start the investigation/scandal.” [Emphasis Added]
 

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Most fact checking sites are hives of lefty activism, and the set of facts presented in the article have been repeated widely in other sources. The association of Mifsud, Downer and Halper with the Five Eyes has been pretty well established by now, and fits the narrative as to what "Crossfire Hurricane" was to a T.

And the fact that the British government tried to get Trump to stop the FISA declassification is basically the proof that this is all legit because there's no other conceivable reason why the British government would care to not have the documents declassified.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

Edit: As far as I can tell, all of the factual claims required to draw their conclusions has been reported in The Telegraph. Do you disagree?
 
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