OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
- Joined
- Aug 26, 2011
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You are really small minded and your world view is very limited. Very typical Progressive traits.
Maybe you should go look up how many Democrats were for building the wall. And then you want to preach to me about how I should expand my reading sources. Maybe you stop listening to people like Cardi B. LMAO.
Whining and waffling, not a single refutation or substantiation. Can't say I'm surprised.
Trump put a new deal on the table on Saturday iirc, which was summarily rejected. He suggested that the White House would be willing to cede ground on an extension on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Act, and offer help for Temporary Protected Status holders, in return for $5.7 billion in funding for the border wall. Seems like a really good compromise, don't you think? It will help protect Americans and at the same time help many illegal immigrants. It was so generous that the Conservatives are unhappy with the deal.
It's a worse "deal" than one he himself rejected earlier. And he's the one that ended DACA and TPS. So his "concession" is that he wants to put a band aid on a problem he created himself? Please.
Emjay said:So, yes, this is all politics to hurt Trump. I am happy to say that blame lies 50/50. You on the other hand will fail to see what this is. Please tell me what the Democrats stand for in terms of immigration? A fence? No wall? No fence? Seems like the excuses are all over the place. And there is zero willingness to even compromise and everyone is losing.
They've been consistent for years.
Look at one of the most bipartisan attempts at immigration reform, introduced by Schumer, which includes a lot of border security!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borde...ty,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013
Any attempt at immigration reform (which always includes lots of conservatives policies and border security) gets scuppered by the hard right.
Another look at other attempts, that were also sabotaged by the hard right.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/2/17509726/congress-fail-immigration-again
Do the Democrats want to build a barrier or not? You have made statements that they have offered Trump what he wants, but that the issue is down to the cost. So, please can you back up this statement with a link to show that the Democrats have offered a deal to build a barrier along the southern border.
And, are you playing stupid? The Democrats are saying that the wall is morally questionable and "not what America is all about".
Schumer and Pelosi offered him $25bn for his wall, which he first said he'll take, and then rejected when Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and hard right whined about it.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ave-accepted-democrats-border-wall-offer.html
Fully expect you to ignore literally everything we've provided you in future and complain again about "Why won't Democrats play nicely with Mr. Trump?!?!"
They are talking about trying to secure a massive part of the border using electronic surveillance. And some here think it's going to be more financially sensible. What a joke.
Tell me something - why do you think the single Republican congressman (Will Hurd) that represents more than a third of the entire border, opposes the wall, ran on that explicitly, and won?
Why do you think every single representative (both R and D) whose constituencies make up the border oppose the wall, ran on that, and won?
Why do you think the border region voted most strongly for O'Rourke in the Texas senate race?
Why do you think Republicans refused for 2 years to do anything to fund the wall when they had unified government?
sorry try again.