Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part II Covfefe

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greg0205

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Yassis so what happens to those with birth defects who don't have ovaries or testes? Will they just not be allowed to have birth certificate?

Also what happens when you get a hysterectomy? According to that definition you would cease to be female :oops:

Utah. So, you know, folk who believe in a book translated from engraved golden plates, provided by an angel called Moroni.
 

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Its a negative situation though, so stating the facts about a negative situation doesn't make it bigoted. Does the absentee father/mother value family though? I think when we talk about single parents we need to be cognisant about the other half out of the picture and how their lack of family values effects their child.

Sure, I agree, and that's why I said it's not *mentioning* the sociological metric itself that's the problem, it's going beyond the statistic and applying an unsubstantiated negative generalisation to a race.

And remember, a growing portion of single family households are not from parents abandoning their families. It's more and more possible and acceptable to have children without marrying.

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If you take households with equal income across all ethnic groups you will notice some pretty stark differences. How do we account for Pacific Islanders who have a relatively low income but also a low incidence of single parents? How do we account for Hispanics who have a similar income to African Americans but a lower rate of single parents? Why are white single parent households predominately male but its predominately female in black households? These are all question that seems to point to something beyond purely economic factors.

Do you have a source for that?

Worth noting upfront that none of those groups have had to contend with slavery, Jim Crow, formal (and ongoing informal) segregation, redlining, mass incarceration, the war on drugs, etc. (For the last two, Hispanics are worse off than white people, but nowhere near as bad as black people). This is important in the context of concentrated poverty, so not only the income of individuals or households, but also their neighbourhood and surroundings. For example:

Neighborhood poverty threatens both black poor and nonpoor families to such an extent that poor white families are less likely to live in poor neighborhoods than nonpoor black families. This is not an original finding. The sociologist Robert Sampson finds that:

….racial differences in neighborhood exposure to poverty are so strong that even high-income blacks are exposed to greater neighborhood poverty than low-income whites. For example, nonpoor blacks in Chicago live in neighborhoods that are nearly 30 percent in poverty—traditionally the definition of “concentrated poverty” areas—whereas poor whites lives in neighborhoods with 15 percent poverty, about the national average.*​
In its pervasiveness, concentration, and reach across class lines, black poverty proves itself to be “fundamentally distinct” from white poverty. It would be much more convenient for everyone on the left if this were not true—that is to say if neighborhood poverty, if systemic poverty, menaced all communities equally. In such a world, one would only need to craft universalist solutions for universal problems.

These all very heavily overlap with raw economic factors and play a huge role in how families end up being structured. Segregation forced the breadwinners in households to move far away, redlining made it impossible for families to live close to where they work, or in areas with good schools, transport, etc. The war on drugs and mass incarceration saw massive over-criminalisation of especially black men (which goes to your last question), which has huge implications for their economic prospects. All this stuff ripples across generations and has a huge impact on families.

For example, from the article I posted earlier:

“More than half of fathers in state prison report being the primary breadwinner in their family,” the National Research Council report noted. Should the family attempt to stay together through incarceration, the loss of income only increases, as the mother must pay for phone time, travel costs for visits, and legal fees. The burden continues after the father returns home, because a criminal record tends to injure employment prospects. Through it all, the children suffer.

This has enormous impacts on the likelihood and viability of stable marriages.

Also worth considering that single parent households themselves are a dynamic demographic. For example, black women who head up single parent households have seen their incomes and educational qualifications rise (as they come off the lowest base), for example, while black men's wages have decreased. That alone would play a role on family structures as people make decisions based on their economic prospects. It's much more possible for a single parent of any race to have a child and not be disadvantaged as much as they would have been previously.
 
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http://time.com/5508544/china-ivanka-trump-5-new-trademarks/

(SHANGHAI) — The Chinese government has granted Ivanka Trump’s company preliminary approval for another five trademarks this month, as her father’s administration pushes ahead on trade negotiations with China.

Four trademarks, including child care centers, sunglasses and wedding dresses, were approved on Sunday. A fifth, covering brokerage, charitable fundraising and art valuation services, was approved on Jan. 6, according to online trademark office records. The applications were filed in 2016 and 2017. If no one objects, they will be finalized after 90 days.
 

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Because you make me feel, you make me feel like a natural individual with ovaries who is confirmed before or at birth to have external anatomical characteristics that appear to have the purpose of performing the natural reproductive function of providing eggs and receiving sperm from a male donor.
 

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?Why are white single parent households predominately male but its predominately female in black households? These are all question that seems to point to something beyond purely economic factors.
Because the white women like "to watch the BBC":p:X3::eek:
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

500px-Nonmarital_Birth_Rates_in_the_United_States%2C_1940-2014.png

Going back hundreds of years doesn't help to explain why non-marital births spiked after 1960...
What happened in the sixties? Oh wait, the boomers started to grow up. Looks like some of the trends are downwards around 2010... about the same time the boomers are starting push daisies:unsure:
 

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What happened in the sixties? Oh wait, the boomers started to grow up. Looks like some of the trends are downwards around 2010... about the same time the boomers are starting push daisies:unsure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afric...ucture#Black_male_incarceration_and_mortality

Black male incarceration and higher mortality rates are often pointed to for these imbalanced sex ratios. Although black males make up 6% of the population, they make up 50% of those who are incarcerated.[64] This incarceration rate for black males increased by a rate of more than four between the years of 1980 and 2003.
All the fault of the war on drugs, racism, slavery, jim crow, segregation, redlining, and so on.

Definitely not caused by the war on poverty and the increase of male children raised by single moms, following 20 years behind the war on poverty when a fatherless upbringing is about the single biggest sociological risk factor for a life of crime, no sirree. :sneaky:
 

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tre45on's budget proposal fails 50-47 in the Senate. Needed 60 votes.

Next up, the Dems clean CR...


EDIT: Dem plan gets 52 votes. Needed 60.

Lamar Alexander, Susan Collins, Cory Gardner, Johnny Isakson, Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney voted with Dems.

Side note: There are 47 Dem and 53 Repub Senators and -->

"I think we have far more unity than the Democrats" - Donald J Trump two weeks ago.
"Never seen the Republican Party so unified" - Donald J Trump last week.
This is partially Trump's fault for stringing swamp donkeys like Romney along.
 

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And remember, a growing portion of single family households are not from parents abandoning their families. It's more and more possible and acceptable to have children without marrying.
Ding ding ding ding. We have a winner! I'd call this the disintegration of family values, but I don't wanna be called a bigot again. :ROFL:
 

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Utah. So, you know, folk who believe in a book translated from engraved golden plates, provided by an angel called Moroni.
To be fair that is equally as plausible as all the other imaginary tales from any of the other books ;):sneaky:
Are they more or less ridiculous than people who believe nonmarital birthrates amongst US blacks almost quadrupling in the last 60 years is because of slavery? I can't tell.
 

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Its a negative situation though, so stating the facts about a negative situation doesn't make it bigoted. Does the absentee father/mother value family though? I think when we talk about single parents we need to be cognisant about the other half out of the picture and how their lack of family values effects their child.



If you take households with equal income across all ethnic groups you will notice some pretty stark differences. How do we account for Pacific Islanders who have a relatively low income but also a low incidence of single parents? How do we account for Hispanics who have a similar income to African Americans but a lower rate of single parents? Why are white single parent households predominately male but its predominately female in black households? These are all question that seems to point to something beyond purely economic factors.
Wow I actually agree with you on something. Welcome to team Trump.
 

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Sure, I agree, and that's why I said it's not *mentioning* the sociological metric itself that's the problem, it's going beyond the statistic and applying an unsubstantiated negative generalisation to a race.

Because no one talks in generalisations.

And remember, a growing portion of single family households are not from parents abandoning their families. It's more and more possible and acceptable to have children without marrying.

It's always been possible, what you mean is viable. One of the reasons it's more viable to have children without marrying is the welfare state.

Worth noting upfront that none of those groups have had to contend with slavery, Jim Crow, formal (and ongoing informal) segregation, redlining, mass incarceration, the war on drugs, etc. (For the last two, Hispanics are worse off than white people, but nowhere near as bad as black people). This is important in the context of concentrated poverty, so not only the income of individuals or households, but also their neighbourhood and surroundings. For example:

I see it's ok to generalise some times.


These all very heavily overlap with raw economic factors and play a huge role in how families end up being structured.[/Segregation forced the breadwinners in households to move far away,

Yet, single parent families amongst blacks skyrocketed post segregation.

redlining made it impossible for families to live close to where they work, or in areas with good schools, transport, etc.

Redlining was a practice of private investors, I'm not sure how it could have effected public schooling, or how much it would have effected public transport. One thing to note is that bussing kids into better school areas didn't bring down the nonmarital birthrates.

The war on drugs and mass incarceration saw massive over-criminalisation of especially black men (which goes to your last question), which has huge implications for their economic prospects.

All this stuff ripples across generations and has a huge impact on families.

For example, from the article I posted earlier:



This has enormous impacts on the likelihood and viability of stable marriages.

Are black men particularly prone to deal drugs?

Also worth considering that single parent households themselves are a dynamic demographic. For example, black women who head up single parent households have seen their incomes and educational qualifications rise (as they come off the lowest base), for example, while black men's wages have decreased. That alone would play a role on family structures as people make decisions based on their economic prospects. It's much more possible for a single parent of any race to have a child and not be disadvantaged as much as they would have been previously.

In other words fatherless homes aren't such a bad thing except for the lack of economic support. Just look how well black men are doing in the States compared to other demographics, right?
 
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