Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

konfab

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This right here sums up how all criticism of Trump is ever going to go down with his supporters.

Trump potentially defying constitution - "I don't really care"
Trump potentially obstructing congressional oversight - "I don't really care"
Trump lies about everything - "I don't really care"
Trump enabling Russia to increase their influence and power in the world - "I don't really care"
Trump puts troops at risk through tweets - "I don't really care"
Trump isn't good a business - "I don't really care"
Trump doesn't have good Christian values - "I don't really care"
Trump can't string a coherent sentence together - "I don't really care"
etc
Trump does anything wrong - "I don't really care"
Trump presides over a growing economy and reduces thus unemployment for everyone:
His detractors- "I don't really care"
 

AlmightyBender

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Trump presides over a growing economy and reduces thus unemployment for everyone:
His detractors- "I don't really care"
Good deeds to not absolve bad deeds...

Imagine teaching that to your children... "Little Johnny, as long as you help old ladies across the road, you are welcome to shoplift from the cafe". Is that your argument for leaving Trump alone?
 

cerebus

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You are wrong.

Trump is not required by law to publicly release his tax records. The law only states that he has to release them to congress (though whether they would be allowed to release them publically is debatable IMO).
Sure, that's the law which is currently being stonewalled by Mnuchin.

If Trump was bankrupt, he would have closed up shop.
He did go bankrupt 6 times.

https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019

I mean what the hell, who gets away with that?

Trump presides over a growing economy and reduces thus unemployment for everyone:
His detractors- "I don't really care"
Clinton also presided over a booming economy but it didn't stop him from being impeached.
 

konfab

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Good deeds to not absolve bad deeds...
They don't.
If congress feels the need to impeach the Orange One, then by all means they should do it.

Imagine teaching that to your children... "Little Johnny, as long as you help old ladies across the road, you are welcome to shoplift from the cafe". Is that your argument for leaving Trump alone?
Have you personally sent Trump a menacing Tweet?

Lets go through your list:

Trump potentially defying constitution.
-Then impeach him.
Trump potentially obstructing congressional oversight.
-Then impeach him.

Trump lies about everything:
-Most politicians have mistruths at the very center of their policy (like the myth of the capable state).
Trump is also very good at stating half-truths, which his opponents then count as lies.
But yeah, I wouldn't really believe much what Trump says on most things. But given his record on the economy, I would trust his leadership over anyone from the Democrats.

Trump enabling Russia to increase their influence and power in the world.
-The media did that. Not Trump. The Mueller report pretty much clears Trump.

Trump puts troops at risk through tweets
- Then impeach him

Trump isn't good a business
- He was still in business when he started his bid. If you still in business, you are doing it good enough IMO.

Trump doesn't have good Christian values
- And when people have "good Christian values", they still get criticised for it.- See MIke Pence.

Trump can't string a coherent sentence together
- Him sh!tposting on Twitter doesn't mean he can't. Thousands of threads ago, I posted a video of him in congress talking very logically.

Trump does anything wrong
That isn't true.

For example, I think Trump is shooting himself in the foot with the new set of tariffs. I do think he is pushing them too far as to start impacting the US economy. This is critical for Trump as his re-election will depend on economic performance.
 

konfab

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Stop regurgitating that b.s
Why Donald Trump's Companies Went Bankrupt
Donald Trump going bankrupt means his creditors attach his personal assets to pay for debt, and the total cost of the attached assets do not cover it.

Donald Trump's businesses going bankrupt mean that their creditors attach the business assets to pay for debt and the total cost of the attached assets do not cover it. Sometimes the shareholders have to cough up as well.

If all of the companies Trump is involved with go bankrupt, then he would most likely go bankrupt himself. But that is extremely far from what happened. Sometimes the best option for a business is to be liquidated. My dad had to do this.

This part of the commentary always amuses me:
The New York Times, which conducted an analysis of regulatory reviews, court records, and security filings, found otherwise, however. It reported in 2016 that Trump "put up little of his own money, shifted personal debts to the casinos and collected millions of dollars in salary, bonuses, and other payments."
"The burden of his failures," according to the newspaper, "fell on investors and others who had bet on his business acumen."
This is coming from people who have no problem with taking other people's money by force to pay for the welfare of others.
Which is completely different from Trump in that those people chose to invest with the Orange One.
 

konfab

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Sure, that's the law which is currently being stonewalled by Mnuchin.
Honestly, I agree here that it is dodgy. Unless it is class A trolling by the Treasury and it ends up being nothing, they are hiding something.

You are most likely more read up on these things than I am, congress surely has the power to impeach/hold the minister in contempt for this?
 

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Honestly, I agree here that it is dodgy. Unless it is class A trolling by the Treasury and it ends up being nothing.

You are most likely more read up on these things than I am, congress surely has the power to impeach/hold the minister in contempt for this?
Ugh my information is confused. Basically, its' up to congress to decide to sue him or send the sergeant of arms to arrest him, but I don't think they have the will to do it just yet. Pelosi flirted with it though:

Well let me just say that we do have a little jail down in the basement of the Capitol,” said Pelosi, to a roomful of laughter. “But if we were arresting all of the people in the administration, we would have an overcrowded jail situation, and I’m not for that.
But who knows what Pelosi intends to do? According to her, Trump is becoming 'self-impeachable', whatever the hell that means.
 

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Oh it is all BS, the threat. It is Bolton wanting to play war games.

On the 26th of March, the Pentagon stated that there was nothing significant of concern in Iran.

After the invasion of Venezuela became a non-event, following Trump and Putins meeting, Bolton jumped on the next bogeyman.
Bolton is an absolute disaster. Easily manipulated by his passion for war.
 

OrbitalDawn

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Businesses have good times and bad. That is the reality.

Right now, if you looked at Lego (which is now the world's largest toy company by revenue), you wouldn't think that in the early 2000s it was at risk of going bankrupt.

The NYT is painting a very incomplete picture by putting a cutoff point in 1995 and not explaining anything from then until now. You know, because they are only interested in the truth and certainly don't have any political agenda.
Remarkably, this could be solved by Trump releasing his tax returns as he promised he would multiple times, instead of lying about why he couldn't, and his Treasury department breaking the law about it.

Trump presides over a growing economy and reduces thus unemployment for everyone:
His detractors- "I don't really care"
Remarkable entry in the tale of how konfab learned to love deficit spending.

"The increased spending and lower receipts have led the year to date deficit exploding from $176 to $310 billion, an increase of 77%. The monthly report has the Treasury needing to borrow $1.18 trillion in fiscal 2019 and $1.16 trillion in fiscal 2020.

The current baseline projects debt expanding from 78 percent to 92 percent of GDP.

Since Trump took office, debt has surpassed $22 trillion, an increase of about $2 trillion."

This right here sums up how all criticism of Trump is ever going to go down with his supporters.

Trump potentially defying constitution - "I don't really care"
Trump potentially obstructing congressional oversight - "I don't really care"
Trump lies about everything - "I don't really care"
Trump enabling Russia to increase their influence and power in the world - "I don't really care"
Trump puts troops at risk through tweets - "I don't really care"
Trump isn't good a business - "I don't really care"
Trump doesn't have good Christian values - "I don't really care"
Trump can't string a coherent sentence together - "I don't really care"
etc
Trump does anything wrong - "I don't really care"
...but, but campus SJWs!
 

OrbitalDawn

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Trump's 'populism' on display at the CFPB.

https://t.co/n7Mzu9e7Ye

Regarding debt collectors:

- They can call you 7x in a week
- No cap on emails, texts
- Industry can collect on debt past their statute of limitations
- Provides industry 'safe harbour' aka shielding them from lawsuits
 

Unhappy438

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Trump presides over a growing economy and reduces thus unemployment for everyone:
His detractors- "I don't really care"
Yeah i get it, a strawman for a strawman. However its come off the back of a massive deficit and average wages have barely increased over inflation. The economy is doing ok but Trump policies have certainly been no greater than Obamas.
 

OrbitalDawn

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Yeah i get it, a strawman for a strawman. However its come off the back of a massive deficit and average wages have barely increased over inflation. The economy is doing ok but Trump policies have certainly been no greater than Obamas.
Precise moment Trump fixed Obama's broken economy.



Somehow Obama did it while reducing the deficit, though. :unsure:
 

OrbitalDawn

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He certainly did not reduce the deficit though. Even if we were to ignore the early years (recession, not his fault) the deficit still rose in the latter years.
It reached a (modern) peak in 2009 because of the recession, and then went down every year while Congress was under Dem control, and started going up in 2016, after Republicans took over the Senate (and had the House), and has expanded since then.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...t-the-deficit-becomes-punch-line-awkward-joke
 

Unhappy438

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It reached a (modern) peak in 2009 because of the recession, and then went down every year while Congress was under Dem control, and started going up in 2016, after Republicans took over the Senate (and had the House), and has expanded since then.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...t-the-deficit-becomes-punch-line-awkward-joke
No, the only thing that reduced under Obama was the amount the deficit was rising each year. The overall deficit always went up however.
 

OrbitalDawn

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No im talking about the deficit, its illustrated in the graph at the top of the page in your link.
Am I taking crazy pills or something? The graph clearly shows the deficit shrinking for most of his presidency (off the recession-high base), until Republicans take over the Senate, then it starts growing again, and has kept growing under Trump.
 
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