Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

[Emjay]

Whataboutism. So predictable. Disappointing really.

Like you don't do it, hey Greg?

I am still trying to figure out what paying off previous lovers has to do with Russian collusion. I am sure it will be revealed in Mueller's report though.

You sprout how Trump is treasonous, but you probably could not even tell me how someone is found guilty on the basis of treason without Googling it.

If there is criminality on Trump's part, the Democrats should impeach. They just look weak. At this stage, the Mueller report can carry on for the next two years and we will still be in the same position.

 

[Unhappy438]

Impeachment in the House requires a simple majority vote on the Articles, so not a big stretch for Democrats... Conviction in the Senate, with its 53 Republican Senators, is another story 'tho, and that's where a preponderance of evidence really matters.

Hence my post citing a successful impeachment.

 

[Emjay]

Personally, I am waiting for the FBI to go hammer and tongs after all the other people who are guilty of lying to congress. Do you think CNN will be tipped off to all those other arrests, too?

Like all the lying that happened in the whole Benghazi nonsense? It's odd how the consequences of lying to the FBI changes from case to case, don't you think?

 

[Unhappy438]

I don't think it's a matter of 'if'. The picture that's emerging from Mueller's investigation includes everyone within Trump's circle - the majority of whom have either turned in plea deals for their own testimony or already been indicted/imprisoned. Cohen, Manafort, Stone, Papadopolous, Rick Gates, Flynn - arrests and guilty verdicts at the highest level of Trump's inner circle.

https://www.axios.com/tracking-russ...ump-718bc918-984b-4df1-b1a0-5dafff0347b3.html

It's inconceivable that this won't eventually come back to Trump. How could this level of criminal activity in his campaign have possibly happened without his authorization?

That seems like an argument from incredulity though. Until one can prove he authorised it then hes innocent, which is another point, even if he is actually guilty, proving it is something else.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Like all the lying that happened in the whole Benghazi nonsense? It's odd how the consequences of lying to the FBI changes from case to case, don't you think?

Yeah, almost like politics has taken precendence over justice...

I think the chickens will come home to roost, though.

 

[cerebus]

That seems like an argument from incredulity though. Until one can prove he authorised it then hes innocent, which is another point, even if he is actually guilty, proving it is something else.

Yes you're totally correct. However one would have to be hugely credulous to believe that Trump would have been unaware of the campaign finance violations that Cohen undertook on his behalf. As greg says he's on tape at least once that we know of directing him for the payments.

 

[Vrotappel]

Techno also loves this sillicism. Repeating it is... well... it is silly.

He'll be impeached when it is politically appropriate to impeach him.

Until then...let Trump continue to provide material for that impeachment.

Will that be before or after the next election?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Yes you're totally correct. However one would have to be hugely credulous to believe that Trump would have been unaware of the campaign finance violations that Cohen undertook on his behalf. As greg says he's on tape at least once that we know of directing him for the payments.

Except that Trump isn't supposed to be a legal expert and doesn't say anything specifically mentioning duplicitous activity...

That's not going to pass muster with respect to reasonable doubt. And again, Obama was found similarly guilty of campaign finance violations and nothing happened to him.

You're obsessing over a nothingburger.

 

[Vrotappel]

Government shutdown cost economy $11 billion, budget office says

Bloody Dems, the wall would have been cheaper.

 

[Emjay]

Except that Trump isn't supposed to be a legal expert and doesn't say anything specifically mentioning duplicitous activity...

That's not going to pass muster with respect to reasonable doubt. And again, Obama was found similarly guilty of campaign finance violations and nothing happened to him.

You're obsessing over a nothingburger.

He is not obsessing over a nothingburger. He is trying to make a link to some activity to reinforce his opinion that Trump should be impeached because he is sexist and racist, or something.

But, I am quite proud of Trumpey. He has not said something too bad on Twitter for a while. The White House staff should really keep him busy more often.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

He is not obsessing over a nothingburger. He is trying to make a link to some activity to reinforce his opinion that Trump should be impeached because he is sexist and racist, or something.

Right, but campaign finance violations designed to keep Trump's private life private is going nowhere fast.

But, I am quite proud of Trumpey. He has not said something too bad on Twitter for a while. The White House staff should really keep him busy ore often.

Not for lack of trying. Didn't you see his tweets about wishing for more global warming?

 

[konfab]

Smocking hot hamberders!

We need the thread title to be changed.

Mods?

 

[Emjay]

Not for lack of trying. Didn't you see his tweets about wishing for more global warming?

Well colour me NOT surprised. I forgot that one. ><

 

[greg0205]

Like you don't do it, hey Greg?

I am still trying to figure out what paying off previous lovers has to do with Russian collusion. I am sure it will be revealed in Mueller's report though.

You sprout how Trump is treasonous, but you probably could not even tell me how someone is found guilty on the basis of treason without Googling it.

If there is criminality on Trump's part, the Democrats should impeach. They just look weak. At this stage, the Mueller report can carry on for the next two years and we will still be in the same position.

Now now Emjay. I'm not the one brough up Obama after I said, "Cohen will have to prove Trump told him to pay off those women, and they would have to prove intent to flout campaign finance law on Trump's part" and was immediately challenged on it with a reminder of the actual guilty pleas and tapes you seem happy to consign to a persistent memory hole.

Violating campaign finance law is different to Russian conspiracy. I suspect you know that.

I also suspect you know the constitution would require a declared war to get Donnie Treason on treason charges, but you seem incapable of squaring folk *not* named Donald coming up with nicknames... And in case you missed it, I like to call him tre45on because of his meek, slavish, obsequious and servile acquiescence to all thing Vlad.

Finally, Dems will impeach when the evidence is so compelling that any Republican Senator voting to acquit will effectively be committing career suicide... They're not there yet. After nearly a decade of the GOP, they've just had subpoena power for a couple of weeks, and we haven't even had a single hearing yet.

Patience Emjay... Good thing come to those who wait.

 

[Emjay]

Now now Emjay. I'm not the one brough up Obama after I said, "Cohen will have to prove Trump told him to pay off those women, and they would have to prove intent to flout campaign finance law on Trump's part" and was immediately challenged on it with a reminder of the actual guilty pleas and tapes you seem happy to consign to a persistent memory hole.

Violating campaign finance law is different to Russian conspiracy. I suspect you know that.

I also suspect you know the constitution would require a declared war to get Donnie Treason on treason charges, but you seem incapable of squaring folk *not* named Donald coming up with nicknames... And in case you missed it, I like to call him tre45on because of his meek, slavish, obsequious, servile acquiescence to all thing Vlad.

Finally, Dems will impeach when the evidence is so compelling that any Republican Senator voting to acquit will effectively be committing career suicide... They're not there yet. After nearly a decade of the GOP, they've just had subpoena power for a couple of weeks, and we haven't even had a single hearing yet.

Patience Emjay... Good thing come to those who wait.

Patience? I am sure I have enough for him to finish out his term.

I am still waiting to see where there is Russian collusion. But I am sure your faith is in the Mueller report 100%. My faith lies in current realities. And that reality is saying there is not going to be anything new in the Mueller report. The basis for this entire investigation is questionable, and now there is a hunt to fit the narrative. The more you complain, the sweeter it is.

 

[greg0205]

Patience? I am sure I have enough for him to finish out his term.

I am still waiting to see where there is Russian collusion. But I am sure your faith is in the Mueller report 100%. My faith lies in current realities. And that reality is saying there is not going to be anything new in the Mueller report. The basis for this entire investigation is questionable, and now there is a hunt to fit the narrative. The more you complain, the sweeter it is.

And yet, you seem to be the one who's been complaining... Weird, huh?

 

[Emjay]

And yet, you seem to be the one who's been complaining... Weird, huh?

Yeah, I did complain because I actually did want expedient justice and a resolution because I think the divisive politics is a bad thing. But since you lot seem so against it, I am happy to wait it out now.

 

[greg0205]

Yeah, I did complain because I actually did want expedient justice and a resolution because I think the divisive politics is a bad thing. But since you lot seem so against it, I am happy to wait it out now.

Ken Starr was appointed in August of '94. Bill was impeached in December '98.

Waiting it out is the only call.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/mueller-report-whitaker/index.html

I'm gonna bet we won't have to wait too much longer.

 

[greg0205]

Molly's piece includes Anne Coulter, her younger, dumber Mini-Me, Tomi Lahren, terrifying dystopian villain Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Seb Gorka, Bill Mitchell and Charlie Kirk.

It's glorious!

Let Them Fight

Last Friday the president of the United States trudged into the Rose Garden a torpid mess, with his tuft of hair-like substance sitting lifelessly on his head. It was a harbinger of the weekend to come. Presiding over the longest government shutdown ever had taken its toll on the president: His face looked more bloated, his eyes tired from the strain of all so many days without golf. He had the walk of a defeated man. Speaking from the podium, Trump seemed both bored and irritable.

He began a freestyle monologue about women with duct tape over their mouths and then, just a few minutes later, it was all over. Donald Trump—the master negotiator, the dominance politician, the galaxy brain—had caved.

The president’s desultory weakness then touched off an entirely-predictable war between his power-hungry sycophants and the anti-immigrant ideologues who previously had combined to form Trump’s unified media base.

And now, just as he split the Republican party three years ago, the president has fractured the party of Trump, too.