Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

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You might have noticed how the left has gone insane calling everything that isn't their intersectional utopia "Nazi Nazi Nazi". Look no further than the Covington Catholic smirk if you want a good example. At some point people have to speak up to set the record straight, and that means dealing with the well-poison the intersectional bigots have so thoughtfully left behind.
Yeah, lets set the record straight by saying that Hitler was an okay guy when only concerned with his own country... :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, lets set the record straight by saying that Hitler was an okay guy when only concerned with his own country... :rolleyes:
That's not what she said. If you have to misrepresent your opponent in order to make your point, it's probably because you don't have a valid argument to fall back on.
 
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Seriously. You almost make him sound like a non-emotionally-hysterical reactionary.
:ROFL:

The problem you have here is that the emotionally charged reactionary has exactly the right mindset to see what's going on here. :p That's why populism is such an effective counter against globalism at the moment.
 
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Okay, I'll bite, in your opinion, what was she saying?
That there's nothing inherently wrong with nationalism. That it doesn't necessarily imply a racist agenda, but also that the idea can be abused to perpetrate evil. The idea that she as a black woman would have to do the virtue signal so that people wouldn't think she was endorsing Hitler's white supremacy is frankly so absurd it's hilarious.

Since we've established the German Jews were Germans too, if Hitler was only concerned with making Germany great, he would presumably have made it great for the German Jews, too. And that's the sort of nationalism that Candace Owens supports, as well as the sort of nationalism the majority of MAGA hat wearers support. Read some John Stuart Mill if these concepts seem alien to you.
 

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Since we've established the German Jews were Germans too, if Hitler was only concerned with making Germany great, he would presumably have made it great for the German Jews, too.
The problem with the above is that it ignores Hitlers stated aim which was what he voiced in the 1920's, that his aim was to make Germany a power by annihilating the Jews. That was how he intended Germany to become a force, he viewed the Jews as a poison that where holding the German people back. The idea that Hitler could ever have made Germany great for German Jews is laughable and shows a complete lack of knowledge of History and any understanding of Hitler himself. Again you are welcome to argue that Nationalism isn't bad, but trying to separate Hitler's nationalism from his hatred of Jews is ridiculous to the point of making the example meaningless.
 
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That there's nothing inherently wrong with nationalism. That it doesn't necessarily imply a racist agenda, but also that the idea can be abused to perpetrate evil. The idea that she as a black woman would have to do the virtue signal so that people wouldn't think she was endorsing Hitler's white supremacy is frankly so absurd it's hilarious.

Since we've established the German Jews were Germans too, if Hitler was only concerned with making Germany great, he would presumably have made it great for the German Jews, too. And that's the sort of nationalism that Candace Owens supports, as well as the sort of nationalism the majority of MAGA hat wearers support. Read some John Stuart Mill if these concepts seem alien to you.
So Candace was arguing for the making-the-country-great nationalism, not the kill-all-the-jews nationalism. OK. Why did she invoke Hitler at all, then?
 
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The problem with the above is that it ignores Hitlers stated aim which was what he voiced in the 1920's, that his aim was to make Germany a power by annihilating the Jews.
You know, you could just go and watch the 1 minute clip in which she says she has a different idea of what Nationalism is than Hitler's. I have little interest in the boogie monster you're manufacturing.

That was how he intended Germany to become a force, he viewed the Jews as a poison that where holding the German people back
Except now you're conflating country and ethnic identity, which is exactly what the intersectional bigots do.

The idea that Hitler could ever have made Germany great for German Jews is laughable and shows a complete lack of knowledge of History and any understanding of Hitler himself.
Red herring.

Again you are welcome to argue that Nationalism is bad, but trying to separate Hitler's nationalism from his hatred of Jews is ridiculous to the point of making the example meaningless.
So now nobody is allowed to have a different definition of Nationalism than Hitler because Hitler? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
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So Candace was arguing for the making-the-country-great nationalism, not the kill-all-the-jews nationalism. OK. Why did she invoke Hitler at all, then?
You might have noticed how the left has gone insane calling everything that isn't their intersectional utopia "Nazi Nazi Nazi". Look no further than the Covington Catholic smirk if you want a good example. At some point people have to speak up to set the record straight, and that means dealing with the well-poison the intersectional bigots have so thoughtfully left behind.
Do you think you're a transphobe just because you don't want to think of trans women as women? When you get demonised because of your brand of feminism, do you never feel the need to set the record straight?
 

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So now nobody is allowed to have a different definition of Nationalism than Hitler because Hitler? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
This from the side who insists on there only being one kind of socialism? And no, I agree you can take nationalism too far and that it has different aspects, just that the idea that Hitler could someone have been a good nationalist when all of his thoughts and actions where to the contrary is pretty crazy.
 
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Do you think you're a transphobe just because you don't want to think of trans women as women? When you get demonised because of your brand of feminism, do you never feel the need to set the record straight?
Irrelevant. She could just as easily have made a case for nationalism without mentioning Hitler at all.
I guess she just wanted her 15 minutes of notoriety then.
 
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Irrelevant. She could just as easily have made a case for nationalism without mentioning Hitler at all.
I guess she just wanted her 15 minutes of notoriety then.
No she can't, because the globalists in conjunction with the intersectionalists have smeared nationalists as racists. So the idea that there could be a nationalism which isn't actually racist has to be explicitly explained. Are you really going to pretend that we're not in the middle of a culture war? :rolleyes:
 
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So you have stampeded into a conversation without knowing what its about once again.
Did he or did he not compare Nationalism to Nazism?

I think he did and that makes my point 100% valid. Irrespective of what stupid justification you clowns try and put into it :D
 
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This from the side who insists on there only being one kind of socialism?
Socialism built on capitalism isn't socialism. And the people today who support socialism are explicitly anti-capitalistic, particularly the millenials. Your side likes to pull a Motte-and-Bailey on this front to deny that these people exist.

And no, I agree you can take nationalism too far and that it has different aspects, just that the idea that Hitler could someone have been a good nationalist when all of his thoughts and actions where to the contrary is pretty crazy.
This is you putting words in Candace's mouth, nothing else.
 
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No she can't, because the globalists in conjunction with the intersectionalists have smeared nationalists as racists. So the idea that there could be a nationalism which isn't actually racist has to be explicitly explained. Are you really going to pretend that we're not in the middle of a culture war? :rolleyes:
I don't see her doing much to explain that point.
For my money, she's a common-or-garden variety troll.
 

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Oh god.

Talk about taking things out of context again.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nationalism-remark-after-backlash/2818679002/

In the comments, Owens answered an audience member who asked for a "longterm prognosis" about the terms "globalism" and "nationalism."

Owens embraced the term nationalism; claiming the definition gets "poisoned" by proponents of globalism.
This is how she responded.

I actually don't have any problems at all with the word 'nationalism.' I think that it gets, the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. So when you think about, whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people thing about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay fine. The problem is ... he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German. Everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. ... To me that's not nationalism.
I don't see her doing much to explain that point.
For my money, she's a common-or-garden variety troll.
And you are just being whiney for no reason at all ;)
 

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Well then maybe you better take another look at the full quote?
She said Hitler. The reaction to her words is totally justified. Because Hitler was bad, we have to reject everything about him. It's the same with Trump.

And, your defense of Candance Owens makes you a white supremacist and nazi. (wait, what?!) I mean, she is advocating for nationalism (borders FTL), so she must be a nazi, and therefore love Hitler.
 
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