Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

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OrbitalDawn

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so is this supposed admittance rubbish? i never followed this.

That piece gets a number of basic things wrong. A consent decree, by definition, is a settlement without admission of guilt. And the wrongful conduct applied to all the groups that IRS gave heightened scrutiny to, including liberal and progressive ones.
 

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Look at the useful idiot denying irrefutable evidence because he doesn't like the source it came from.
"Irrefutable evidence" of what exactly? That looks like minutes from a meeting. Where in there does Kerner "recommend harassing non-profit groups until they are unable to continue operating"?

But yeah, very odd that I'm sceptical of claims by a group that routinely makes false claims and have their lawsuits dismissed because they're BS.
 

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"Irrefutable evidence" of what exactly? That looks like minutes from a meeting. Where in there does Kerner "recommend harassing non-profit groups until they are unable to continue operating"?
Page 10, first paragraph. "Henry Kerner said that maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous."
 

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That piece gets a number of basic things wrong. A consent decree, by definition, is a settlement without admission of guilt. And the wrongful conduct applied to all the groups that IRS gave heightened scrutiny to, including liberal and progressive ones.
10% of the groups targeted could be said to have had a liberal or progressive bias, wheras 75% of the groups targeted could be said to have a conservative bias. Ergo claims that the discrimination wasn't biased because "both sides" is patently absurd.
 

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Page 10, first paragraph. "Henry Kerner said that maybe the solution is to audit so many that it is financially ruinous."
Wait a minute... Your evidence of a liberal conspiracy targeting conservative groups is the words of a conservative Senate staffer, who now works for the Trump admin, clearly talking about organisations that are trying to abuse the system for a tax break. They're trying to register as "social welfare" organisations, but engage primarily in political activity, which requires a different kind of registration.

Forget galaxy brain, this is multiverse brain.

10% of the groups targeted could be said to have had a liberal or progressive bias, wheras 75% of the groups targeted could be said to have a conservative bias. Ergo claims that the discrimination wasn't biased because "both sides" is patently absurd.
There being more conservative groups doesn't mean anything by itself. There were just a lot more of them. They used certain search terms to identify certain groups for scrutiny, and there were a massive amount of groups trying to register with some variation of 'tea party'. They also included terms like 'occupy', 'progressive', 'acorn', 'green energy' etc. and it returned fewer results because there were fewer such groups. That's something the IG report and the Republican-controlled Senate report said. They couldn't handle the amount of groups trying to register. There are still thousands of them.
 

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Wait a minute... Your evidence of a liberal conspiracy targeting conservative groups is the words of a conservative Senate staffer, who now works for the Trump admin, clearly talking about organisations that are trying to abuse the system for a tax break. They're trying to register as "social welfare" organisations, but engage primarily in political activity, which requires a different kind of registration.

Forget galaxy brain, this is multiverse brain.
Liberal conspiracy? Nono, I pointed the finger at Obama. And yes, McCain was in on it, despite his denials to the contrary, just like he was also deeply involved in the Spygate scandal. There's a reason why he was called a RINO.

It's amusing how hyperpartisan you are.

There being more conservative groups doesn't mean anything by itself.
That's why there's corroborating evidence.

There were just a lot more of them. They used certain search terms to identify certain groups for scrutiny, and there were a massive amount of groups trying to register with some variation of 'tea party'. They also included terms like 'occupy', 'progressive', 'acorn', 'green energy' etc. and it returned fewer results because there were fewer such groups.
It's very easy to target grassroots opposition and then add a few dummy keywords to the list to hide your tracks. Indeed, there's no reason why leftists groups whose agenda didn't fit with Obama's agenda couldn't also be lumped in with the rightwing Obama detractors.

That's something the IG report and the Republican-controlled Senate report said. They couldn't handle the amount of groups trying to register. There are still thousands of them.
Irrelevant.
 

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Tim Cook helped Trump realize that tariffs hurt American companies


“I had a very good meeting with Tim Cook,” Trump said. “I have a lot of respect for Tim Cook, and Tim was talking to me about tariffs. And one of the things, and he made a good case, is that Samsung is their number-one competitor, and Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in South Korea.”

“And it’s tough for Apple to pay tariffs if they’re competing with a very good company that’s not. I said, ‘How good a competitor?’ He said they are a very good competitor. So Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in a different location, mostly South Korea but they’re based in South Korea. And I thought he made a very compelling argument, so I’m thinking about it.”
 

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Tim Cook helped Trump realize that tariffs hurt American companies


“I had a very good meeting with Tim Cook,” Trump said. “I have a lot of respect for Tim Cook, and Tim was talking to me about tariffs. And one of the things, and he made a good case, is that Samsung is their number-one competitor, and Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in South Korea.”

“And it’s tough for Apple to pay tariffs if they’re competing with a very good company that’s not. I said, ‘How good a competitor?’ He said they are a very good competitor. So Samsung is not paying tariffs because they’re based in a different location, mostly South Korea but they’re based in South Korea. And I thought he made a very compelling argument, so I’m thinking about it.”
I wonder if Trump will walk back his ignorance?
 

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Trump Isn’t the One Dividing Us by Race
He hardly mentions it, while his adversaries are obsessed with ‘whiteness’ and ‘white privilege.’
Long before the El Paso massacre, President Trump’s political opponents accused him of sowing “division” with his “racist language.” Mr. Trump “exploits race,” “uses race for his gain,” is engaged in a “racially divisive reprise” of his 2016 campaign, stokes “racial resentments,” and puts “race at the fore,” the New York Times has reported over the past several months.

Yet Mr. Trump rarely uses racial categories in his speech or his tweets. It is the media and Democratic leaders who routinely characterize individuals and groups by race and issue race-based denunciations of large parts of the American polity.

Some examples: “As race dominates the political conversation, 10 white Democratic candidates will take the stage” (the Washington Post); Mr. Trump’s rally audiences are “overwhelmingly white” (multiple sources); your son’s “whiteness is what protects him from not [sic] being shot” by the police ( Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand ); white candidates need to be conscious of “white privilege” (South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg ); “white supremacy manifests itself” in the criminal-justice, immigration and health-care systems ( Sen. Cory Booker ); “ Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri” ( Sen. Elizabeth Warren ); whiteness is “the very core” of Mr. Trump’s power, whereas his “predecessors made their way to high office through the passive power of whiteness” (Ta-Nehisi Coates in the Atlantic).
 

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Donnie: The Chinese pay the tariffs.

Also Donnie: I’m pushing back raising tariffs on China ‘till after the festive season so American consumers don’t pay higher prices due to tariffs.
It is amusing seeing lefties suddenly take the side of the consumer with regards to taxes.

Taxing the living daylight out of every productive person: perfectly ok.
Tax the living daylight out of people who commit the ultimate hate crime of running a profitable business: perfectly ok.
Demand artificial price increases driven by minimum wage: perfectly ok.
Tax people who import stuff from China: literally Hitler.
 

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It is amusing seeing lefties suddenly take the side of the consumer with regards to taxes.

Taxing the living daylight out of every productive person: perfectly ok.
Tax the living daylight out of people who commit the ultimate hate crime of running a profitable business: perfectly ok.
Demand artificial price increases driven by minimum wage: perfectly ok.
Tax people who import stuff from China: literally Hitler.
Oh, you thought my post was about tariffs... and not that Donnie can hold two opposing ideas in his head and claim both are correct.
 

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Oh, you thought my post was about tariffs.
You were commenting on them, so I thought it was pretty relevant to link them to the inconsistencies that the left has regarding taxes.

.. and not that Donnie can hold two opposing ideas in his head and claim both are correct.
Most politicians do engage in the behaviour, especially when it comes to economics.
 

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It is amusing seeing lefties suddenly take the side of the consumer with regards to taxes.

Taxing the living daylight out of every productive person: perfectly ok.
Tax the living daylight out of people who commit the ultimate hate crime of running a profitable business: perfectly ok.
Demand artificial price increases driven by minimum wage: perfectly ok.
Tax people who import stuff from China: literally Hitler.
It is amusing seeing righties suddenly taking the side of the taxes with regards to imports.

Its also amusing seeing them take the side of socialism when it comes to bailing out farmers because of said taxes.
 

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You were commenting on them, so I thought it was pretty relevant to link them to the inconsistencies that the left has regarding taxes.


Most politicians do engage in the behaviour, especially when it comes to economics.
I thought Trump was the eminent anti-Politician?
 

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It is amusing seeing righties suddenly taking the side of the taxes with regards to imports.

Its also amusing seeing them take the side of socialism when it comes to bailing out farmers because of said taxes.
Lets compare taxes to tarrifs and agricultural subsidies to social spending shall we? Always good to put numbers to these things to put things in perspective.

So it is about double the revenue at $75bn, which is about 3.6% of federal government revenue.
https://qz.com/1614032/us-tariff-revenues-are-skyrocketing/



Trumpy's tax cuts cost about $276bn dollars
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/03/15/did-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-pay-for-itself-in-2018/

So roughly, the productive economy is still about $200bn dollars richer than it was before Trump.

Now to agricultural subsidies, which seem to be around $16bn
https://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/trump-tariff-payments-could-triple-farm-subsidies-this-year

So the socialism that you lot seem to get wet over costs the taxpayer about $2.5 trillion ( am including nondefense spending as part of this).



If I could, I would drop all tariffs and agricultural subsidies , even if they are drops in the ocean compared to the taxes and welfare spending the US government already does.
 
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