Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

[Bundu]

Did you see SA?

a bit off topic, but let's hope that improves after all these enquiries

 

[Vrotappel]

a bit off topic, but let's hope that improves after all these enquiries

Hope is all we have left.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Like those two fine folk who invoked the president's catch-phrase when they wrapped a rope around a black man's neck? They get demonised? Well, how about that.

You mean that TMZ article? Does it have any sort of corroboration? I tend to take such reports with a pinch of salt these days, as they are often dishonest.

 

[greg0205]

You mean that TMZ article? Does it have any sort of corroboration? I tend to take such reports with a pinch of salt these days, as they are often dishonest.

It's been picked up by agencies like NBC and the BBC now, and 20th Century Fox have issued a statement of support for him after the attack.

 

[greg0205]

@Emjay. Your asked "which Dems?"

A couple of weeks ago Chuck Schumer asked Stacey Abrams to deliver the Dem response to tre45on's SOTU. She aggreed... Nancy's invited Donnie to the House chamber on February 5th.

Part two for ya on the 6th.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

It's been picked up by agencies like NBC and the BBC now, and 20th Century Fox have issued a statement of support for him after the attack.

Like they do with all of Buzzfeed's stories? Like they did with the whole Covington Catholic brouhaha? Other outlets picking up a story doesn't count as corroboration these days, sorry.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Couple of things.
1) comparing any economy to the dot-com bubble is stupid. Might be news to you, but the high valuation of pets.com isn't really a sign of a healthy economy.

...what?

2) Most of Obama's QE went into stocks and bonds. That is seriously artificial performance boosting that rewarded badly behaving bankers.

Digging the economy out of the huge hole it was in was the point. That's what it did.

What's the excuse for blowing trillion dollar holes in the deficit in a supposedly *healthy* economy that doesn't even stimulate anything substantially?

I keep getting pro right wing style stuff (not far right) on instagram and yussie the amount of crazies out there is insane.

My favourite crackpot theory at the moment is the shut down will lead too the "deep state" people being the ones that are permanently terminated if the shutdown goes on pasted 30 days or 30 Jan or something and how Trump now has Nancy Pelosi and Schumer right where he wants them.. i.e. either cave & fund the wall or weaking the "deep state" and ruin their long term control or some other such nonsence.

While I lean more to the right I find both sides to be cray-cray most of the time and the truth is something in the middle.

Sounds like QAnon. Absolutely batschit insane. Xarog Gingerbreadman is a fan.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

That is pure mythology. Like pizzagate

https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclu...-closed-door-testimonies-suggest_2782019.html

Congressional investigators have gathered enough evidence to suggest that the FBI, under the Obama administration, ignored a major lead in the Clinton-email probe, according to transcripts of closed-door testimonies of several current and former bureau officials.

The office of the Intelligence Community Inspector General informed the FBI in 2015 that a forensic review of Hillary Clinton’s emails unearthed anomalies in the metadata of the messages. The evidence in the metadata suggested that a copy of every email Hillary Clinton sent during her tenure as the secretary of state was forwarded to a foreign third party.

The existence of the lead was first revealed during the public testimony of Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael Horowitz in June last year. Horowitz acknowledged the existence of the specific lead and said he spoke about it to Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) Charles McCullough. Yet, despite the alarming nature of the referral, Horowitz’s 568-page report on the FBI’s handling the Clinton-email investigation made no mention of the lead or how the bureau handled it. The omission caught the attention of Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), who pressed Horowitz for an explanation. Horowitz said he would get back to the committee with answers.


It’s unclear if Horowitz ever followed up on that promise. Meadows went on to question several current and former FBI officials about the lead, including Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bill Priestap, Jonathan Moffa, John Giacolone, and James Comey. In all of the interviews, transcripts of which were reviewed for this article, the officials claimed to remember nothing about the specific referral from the ICIG, suggesting that the lead was either suppressed or ignored by investigators.

During questioning, Meadows repeatedly suggested that Strzok, the former FBI official best known for being fired from the agency last year for his anti-Trump text messages, ignored the lead and never followed up with the ICIG regarding the referral. The bureau also didn’t interview anyone from the ICIG’s office, including Frank Rucker, the investigator who initially briefed the FBI team about the anomalies, according to the transcripts.

Funny how it's all the same actors who were running interference for Hillary that had it in for Donnie boy, huh? It sure is going to be fun to review the basis for the start of the special council's investigation once everything's finally wrapped up...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

On North Korea and Iran, Intelligence Chiefs Contradict Trump

A new American intelligence assessment of global threats has concluded that North Korea is “unlikely to give up” all of its nuclear stockpiles, and that Iran is not “currently undertaking the key nuclear weapons-development activity” needed to make a bomb, directly contradicting two top tenets of President Trump’s foreign policy.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1090299928692154370

RBG still a no-show. That makes it like 3 months now. Looking like she won't make SOTU, either.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

It's been picked up by agencies like NBC and the BBC now, and 20th Century Fox have issued a statement of support for him after the attack.

That didn't take long:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/empire-star-jussie-smollett-hospitalized-after-homophobic-attack-tmz

The Chicago Police Department said 36-year-old Empire star Jussie Smollett told authorities he was assaulted early Tuesday morning by two suspects who yelled out “racial and homophobic slurs” before the attack. Smollett told police that the suspects hit him in the face around 2 a.m. and “poured an unknown chemical substance” on him, according to the statement. “At some point during the incident, one of the offenders wrapped a rope around the victim’s neck,” the police statement says. “The offenders fled the scene.” Smollett took himself to Northwestern Hospital and is in “good condition,” authorities said. Police say they are investigating the “possible racially-charged assault and battery” as a possible hate crime. Smollett has yet to comment on the alleged attack.
A Chicago Police spokesperson told The Daily Beast that the attackers’ genders are unknown, and that their faces and hands had been covered. TMZ reported that the attackers shouted “This is MAGA country,” but police told the Beast, “There is no report of that being said.”
Empire’s producer and network expressed their horror over the attack. “We are deeply saddened and outraged to learn that a member of our Empire family... was viciously attacked last night,” a statement from 20th Century Fox Television and Fox Entertainment read. “We send our love to Jussie, who is resilient and strong, and we will work with law enforcement to bring these perpetrators to justice.”

 

[Hamish McPanji]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclu...-closed-door-testimonies-suggest_2782019.html


Funny how it's all the same actors who were running interference for Hillary that had it in for Donnie boy, huh? It sure is going to be fun to review the basis for the start of the special council's investigation once everything's finally wrapped up...

And unicorns.

But Nessie exists, i seen it with my own eyes.

 

[AlmightyBender]

Trump is a wrecking ball aimed at the deep state. The deep state doesn't like Trump and so has tried to air the dirty laundry of everyone associated with him. But look at Manafort, for example. His dirtyness all stems from his activities with Tony Podesta, brother of John Podesta, who is in Hillary's inner circle. And the only reason Manafort and not Tony was held to legal scrutiny is because someone tipped Tony off so he could submit all the paperwork "late", just before Manafort got picked up. And Manafort's activities was lobbying for Ukraine, against Russia. And sure, Trump was running his campaign by the seat of his pants, do you really think he could take the time to vet everyone who wanted to work with him?

So long as Trump delivers on what the populists want, the other stuff is really just same schit different day.

I think the thing is that you don't see the system as fundamentally corrupt, but that view is pretty much fundamental to any populist perspective.

Deep state? Did they choose his lawyer and campaign chair? I'm sorry but that is deflection.

I'm talking about the people that Trump has personally hired who turned out to be corrupt fraudsters or people who have no regard for the law.

I just can't slice it any way where the situation is ok.
Extreme 1: Trump knew nothing and didn't do anything wrong himself.
Problem: what kind of leader has so little grasp about what is going on? That sounds like pure incompetence. Why is he so easy for slimeballs to take advantage of? Surely he must be naive and weak and thus a poor leader?

Extreme 2: Trump is control and knows about everything
Problem: do I really have to explain this one?

Is there another angle that I'm missing here? Why do his supporters irrationality absolve him in terms of this?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Deep state? Did they choose his lawyer and campaign chair? I'm sorry but that is deflection.

I'm talking about the people that Trump has personally hired who turned out to be corrupt fraudsters or people who have no regard for the law.

I just can't slice it any way where the situation is ok.
Extreme 1: Trump knew nothing and didn't do anything wrong himself.
Problem: what kind of leader has so little grasp about what is going on? That sounds like pure incompetence. Why is he so easy for slimeballs to take advantage of? Surely he must be naive and weak and thus a poor leader?

Extreme 2: Trump is control and knows about everything
Problem: do I really have to explain this one?

Is there another angle that I'm missing here? Why do his supporters irrationality absolve him in terms of this?

You're thinking too simplistically about this.

Prison reform is something long overdue in the US. He is sending all the best people to jail on trumped up charges so they can implement reform from the best place, from within

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Deep state? Did they choose his lawyer and campaign chair? I'm sorry but that is deflection.

Honestly, IDGAF if he paid money to keep his screwing around from getting out while he was running for president, because it makes no different to me that he did. And if Trump's lawyer was shady for other reasons, well, I don't really see how that is on Trump.

Likewise with respect to him picking up Manafort. Call it deflection if you want.

I'm talking about the people that Trump has personally hired who turned out to be corrupt fraudsters or people who have no regard for the law.

And I don't think that people in general in Washington have much regard for the law. I think they're generally corrupt criminals. Having a new set of criminals get into a turf war with the old set is a win for everybody else insofar as the dirty laundry gets exposed on all sides, as far as I am concerned.

I just can't slice it any way where the situation is ok.
Extreme 1: Trump knew nothing and didn't do anything wrong himself.
Problem: what kind of leader has so little grasp about what is going on? That sounds like pure incompetence. Why is he so easy for slimeballs to take advantage of? Surely he must be naive and weak and thus a poor leader?

I don't think you appreciate what sort of personalities are attracted to politics. They're really high in the dark triad personality traits as a general rule.

Is there another angle that I'm missing here? Why do his supporters irrationality absolve him in terms of this?

Because so long as he does stuff like build the wall and give Germany grief over their gas pipeline with Russia and give the snowflakes hell, he's better than all the establishment mooks who don't even have the talent to make their lies entertaining. Take for example the global warming tweet I mentioned to Emjay earlier. Let's assume that global warming is real; if Trump simply said it was false, then that would be a boring lie. But because he attaches it to the freezing weather and turns it into outrage, the lie produces political traction.

 

[rietrot]

Au contraire. It’s become the made-in-China white hood of our time. Fantastically handy for spotting folk who know nothing but hate.

Thanks for playing anyway Techne. Your participation badge is in the mail.

Has anyone seen someone selling MAGA hats here? I would like one but haven't seen it next to the road or at the fleemarket yet.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Has anyone seen someone selling MAGA hats here? I would like one but haven't seen it next to the road or at the fleemarket yet.

Do you do this on purpose?

 

[AlmightyBender]

And if Trump's lawyer was shady for other reasons, well, I don't really see how that is on Trump.

This is the part that is getting me stumped. Yes indeed Trump is not responsible for the actions of his lawyer that did not concern trump's business.
However he is still (to me) responsible for his association to that crook and that is the nature of my question.

Here is an example:
Should Trump be charged with the corruption and fraud charges of manafort and Cohen? Absolutely not.

Should Trump supporters continue to ignore his incompetence at selecting people? I would think the answer is no, but it is not. This part I don't understand. It speaks to a poor decision maker with poor judgement.

If it was a once off then sure I could give the benefit of the doubt, but this nonsense is with a large chunk of his associates. It establishes the pattern of trump's behaviour and decision making.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

This is the part that is getting me stumped. Yes indeed Trump is not responsible for the actions of his lawyer that did not concern trump's business.
However he is still (to me) responsible for his association to that crook and that is the nature of my question.

Here is an example:
Should Trump be charged with the corruption and fraud charges of manafort and Cohen? Absolutely not.

Should Trump supporters continue to ignore his incompetence at selecting people? I would think the answer is no, but it is not. This part I don't understand. It speaks to a poor decision maker with poor judgement.

If it was a once off then sure I could give the benefit of the doubt, but this nonsense is with a large chunk of his associates. It establishes the pattern of trump's behaviour and decision making.

Oh, I dunno - an incompetent con man is just what the US needed, don't you think?

DeepStateSixDimensionalChessMutterMumble

 

[theratman]

True, wear one and watch all the haters reveal themselves like moths to a flame.

I was watching RT the other day and they had a bunch of Maga wearers getting their hats knocked off shoved or chased for wearing the hat. Pathetic. Most of them seemed to be going about their own business, it's a hat ffs.