Donald J. Trump: President of the USA Part III Covfefe

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cerebus

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do you realise second thoughts can mean to change an opinion on something, and not just mean doubt doing it in the first place.

here have an apple, on second thoughts, have 2 apples.

take an apple, on second thought, take 2 apples.

That's not how it's commonly used in that context. "Are you having second thoughts about a decision you made" means "are you doubting the decision". In fact Trump's entire statement is totally indecipherable and sounds like someone who can't keep track of what they're meant to be talking about.

Yeah, sure. Why not?
Might as well. Might as well … I have second thoughts about everything.
 

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I raise you this


I like this game. What about CNN journalists letting someone claim on air that Trump has killed more people than Stalin and Mao with zero challenge?


Clown world all round.
 

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That's not how it's commonly used in that context. "Are you having second thoughts about a decision you made" means "are you doubting the decision". In fact Trump's entire statement is totally indecipherable and sounds like someone who can't keep track of what they're meant to be talking about.

forking lawl. thats what you want to believe it meant.

meanwhile it is possible to mean something else by saying it, which is more in line with the way he communicates in general.

i gave you a basic first grade explanation how it relates to what was said he meant. instead of taking 1 apple from china he should have taken 2.


also, surely re evaluating decisions you make is a good thing at that level, instead of stubbornly thinking everything you decide is infallible.


it seems you are so desperate to point and laugh at the guy you go all wonky yourself
 

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it seems you are so desperate to point and laugh at the guy you go all wonky yourself

No, I'm really not. I would very much like this insane trade war to have a resolution. I would like to see Trump and China negotiate and come to an agreement. Or, if Trump is going to go full-scale dictator, let him do that. Trump has no policy and no idea of where he wants to go with this.
 

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No, I'm really not. I would very much like this insane trade war to have a resolution. I would like to see Trump and China negotiate and come to an agreement.
That is a surprising position from you. Trump's re-election depends on the economy being in a good state.
 

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That is a surprising position from you. Trump's re-election depends on the economy being in a good state.

It doesn't mean I want the economy to crash because of the incompetence of one person. Mainly I want to be shut of the daily mental shitpile that has been the Trump presidency.
 

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What 'norm' do you want enforced? That only heterosexual, married couples be allowed to procreate?
Monogamy is the historical exception, not the norm. The species isn't wired the way you think it is. Monogamy by way of restricting sex until marriage was the way to get men in particular to invest their time and money in building up their families rather than trying to earn mating opportunities in various socially unproductive ways (i.e. war).

And, again, how would you enforce it?
Well, religion is out. And we can't have laws that enforce it, so clearly there is to be no enforcement, and whatever benefits the institution afforded society at large will fall into the dust. Which, of course, you have no problem with, because your idea of moral progress isn't actually interested in the flourishing of humans as such.

Probably. How many people should be sacrificed and harmed for your ideological quest to be fulfilled?
Right back at ya.

Not sure what this obtuseness achieves, but neither does marriage.
Riiiiiiight.

Nah, the problem is you invent fantastical, all-encompassing conspiracy theories to justify your ideology. And then dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with it wholesale, including on unrelated matters.
The problem is that you don't want to admit the degree to which ideologically motivated people colour the truth because of their over-riding political commitments. And the reason you don't want to do that is because in fact you share those over-riding political commitments.

The cherry on this particular cake is that I never actually invoked any sort of conspiracy theory in this matter. That's something you did to smear my position so as to avoid what I actually was describing, which broadly speaking is simply a particular flavour of ideology/mindset found in the wild, the kind of activist propaganda posing as education you find in grievance studies. The same rot that got James Damore fired from Google. The same rot that infected "Derrida-team" at Google such that they hacked the national narrative for political purposes. The point being that it doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be dangerous. And as a matter of fact the narrative of the ideology has taken control of the single most powerful information hub on the planet, namely Google (and most of the other social media companies, but put that aside for now), sans conspiracy.

But you'd let this crap run roughshod over everything without batting an eye, but yet you presume to opine on what moral progress looks like? :ROFL:

What you claim is an'ulterior motive' is what they openly advocate for. It's the opposite of an ulterior motive.
What they openly advocate for has precisely nothing to do with climate change given the absolute absurdity of the proposals intended to address climate change. Therefore the entire package was wrapped in a bunch of BS, therefore the stated purpose of the deal was never what the deal was actually about, and instead what you have is a cynical power grab, not particularly different in ethos from the way Stalin made sure the "workers" were in control of the Soviet Union. That you don't find this disturbing is telling. :)

So until people agree with your ideological crusade, no progress can be made on some of the most pressing issues of our times. Unfortunate.
There won't be any progress on the most pressing issues of our times while your ideology would selectively prioritise what is most pressing in such a way that it drives humanity straight into the ditch, and while you will not acknowledge the defect that makes it inevitably ruinous. Sorry, but ensuring that everybody is equally miserable because you're filled with resentment is not what progress looks like, moral or otherwise, little tarantula. And actually, that's exactly what the culture war boils down to; it's tarantulas versus everybody else.
 

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Interesting paper on the way YouTube's algorithms tend to push users towards more radical right wing content.


Auditing Radicalization Pathways on YouTube

We analyze 331, 849 videos of 360 channels which we broadly classify into: control, the Alt-lite, the Intellectual Dark Web (I.D.W.), and the Alt-right —channels in the I.D.W. and the Alt-lite would be gateways to fringe far-right ideology, here represented by Alt-right channels. Processing more than 79M comments, we show that the three communities increasingly share the same user base; that users consistently migrate from milder to more extreme content; and that a large percentage of users who consume Alt-right content now consumed Alt-lite and I.D.W. content in the past. We also probe YouTube’s recommendation algorithm, looking at more than 2M million recommendations for videos and channels between May and July 2019. We find that Alt-lite content is easily reachable from I.D.W. channels via recommendations and that Alt-right channels may be reached from both I.D.W. and Alt-lite channels. Overall, we paint a comprehensive picture of user radicalization on YouTube and provide methods to transparently audit the platform and its recommender system.
 

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That is a surprising position from you. Trump's re-election depends on the economy being in a good state.
Not really.

Trump did brag about the stock market highs. But there's many ways he can play a bad economy to get a win.

The Dems don't offer anything better just basically more taxes.
 

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For anyone not understanding what's up with China.
Thanks. That was really good. I think he's too aggressive and warmongering. And I don't like how he says elites, that's a bit conspiracy theory, revolutionary talk. But really spot on.
 

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Interesting paper on the way YouTube's algorithms tend to push users towards more radical right wing content.


Auditing Radicalization Pathways on YouTube

We analyze 331, 849 videos of 360 channels which we broadly classify into: control, the Alt-lite, the Intellectual Dark Web (I.D.W.), and the Alt-right —channels in the I.D.W. and the Alt-lite would be gateways to fringe far-right ideology, here represented by Alt-right channels. Processing more than 79M comments, we show that the three communities increasingly share the same user base; that users consistently migrate from milder to more extreme content; and that a large percentage of users who consume Alt-right content now consumed Alt-lite and I.D.W. content in the past. We also probe YouTube’s recommendation algorithm, looking at more than 2M million recommendations for videos and channels between May and July 2019. We find that Alt-lite content is easily reachable from I.D.W. channels via recommendations and that Alt-right channels may be reached from both I.D.W. and Alt-lite channels. Overall, we paint a comprehensive picture of user radicalization on YouTube and provide methods to transparently audit the platform and its recommender system.

That's interesting. I have many IDW and some Alt-Lite subscriptions, and have not seen any alt-right content pushed to me. And I watch at least 10 hours of YouTube a week at least.

For the Alt-right
Evola, Evropa, The Jewish Question, White Geno-
cide, Mass immigration, Andrew Anglin, weev, Andy Nowicki, Au-
gustus Invictus, Christopher Cantwell, Collin Liddell, Daniel J. Kleve,
Daniel Friberg, Dillon Irizarry, Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor, Jason
Kessler, Jason Reza Jorjani, Johnny Monoxide, Lana Lokteff, Matt
Forney, Matthew Heimbach, Matthew Parrott, Mike Enoch, Nathan
Damigo, Pax Dickinson, Richard Spencer, Tara McCarthy, Vox Day,
Baked Alaska

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Sorry. I have come across Red-Ice TV before and watched I think two videos and moved on. It's trash.

Second Edit:

I thought I would be serious and try and engage with this study. Lo and behold, it is based on this very questionable work:


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That's interesting. I have many IDW and some Alt-Lite subscriptions, and have not seen any alt-right content pushed to me. And I watch at least 10 hours of YouTube a week at least.



Edit:

Sorry. I have come across Red-Ice TV before and watched I think two videos and moved on. It's trash.

Second Edit:

I thought I would be serious and try and engage with this study. Lo and behold, it is based on this very questionable work:


View attachment 705573
That's useful. I don't know who the Andy guy is and he has the biggest block. Is he any good?
 

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President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

Asked for comment, a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Trump is joking when he makes such statements about pardons.
 

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That's useful. I don't know who the Andy guy is and he has the biggest block. Is he any good?

No idea. I will take a look tonight.

What is ironic though is the very study is making connections to certain content. So, the study is thus driving radicalization according to its own standards. :laugh:
 

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President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

Asked for comment, a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Trump is joking when he makes such statements about pardons.
Sounds like Wapo making up their own news again.
 

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That's useful. I don't know who the Andy guy is and he has the biggest block. Is he any good?

Andy's political views aren't well formed. The size of his block is because of the conversations that were hosted on his channel; he actually tried to get the opposing sides talking to one another, you see...
 

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Andy's political views aren't well formed. The size of his block is because of the conversations that were hosted on his channel; he actually tried to get the opposing sides talking to one another, you see...
Well theres the problem... there is nothing to talk about, not allowed opposing views or giving airtime to them, its one with the collective, or you're a right wing racist nazi
 
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