Donald John Trump: The 2nd Greatest President of the USA (by volume)

[Nerfherder]

That's why he won.

He won because of a poor electoral system.

 

[C4Cat]

You suspicion is unfounded. I am well aware of the difference. I have argued elsewhere that populist and popular are not synonyms, along with many other similar confusions.

Nevertheless, the very notion of an unpopular populist is rather hard to defend.

I don't get it - populists are popular within a specific segment of the population - most often a minority of the population (but not always). Populists are often generally unpopular though. Look at Malema, for example, he is a populist leader but he is not the popular choice of the majority of South Africans - for most South Africans he is more unpopular.

 

[access]

and here i thought populism was the attempt to gain relevance/power/importance through popularity

 

[buka001]

Trump had an opportunity to come out and speak and focus on unifying a divided country. He had an opportunity to talk specifics, yet chose to outline a a vague plan.

He has set out some risky target! Complete annihilation of ISIS? Great! But how? Does his plan factor in the more destruction he plans to yield, the more recruits are created?

Instead of taking the high ground and replying to the pointless comparisons on the attendance he reacts like a scorned 3 year old. Why not respond by saying I don't care, because my real supporters are the ones hard at work producing for the country. The narcissism is disturbing.

Then he claims he never had any feud with the IC, it was all manufactured by the media. While the media would have spun it, he did tweet in direct opposition to them.

 

[konfab]

He won because of a poor electoral system.

He won using the same system that Hillary was using. If he had the popular vote and Hillary had the collage vote, you would see every liberal becoming the fiercest defender of the system.

 

[access]

Trump had an opportunity to come out and speak and focus on unifying a divided country. He had an opportunity to talk specifics, yet chose to outline a a vague plan.

He has set out some risky target! Complete annihilation of ISIS? Great! But how? Does his plan factor in the more destruction he plans to yield, the more recruits are created?

Instead of taking the high ground and replying to the pointless comparisons on the attendance he reacts like a scorned 3 year old. Why not respond by saying I don't care, because my real supporters are the ones hard at work producing for the country. The narcissism is disturbing.

Then he claims he never had any feud with the IC, it was all manufactured by the media. While the media would have spun it, he did tweet in direct opposition to them.

maybe just start by not giving them weapons anymore..

 

[Unhappy438]

maybe just start by not giving them weapons anymore..

Most of their arsenal is made up of old Soviet stuff.

 

[rietrot]

More than 50% of voters abstained, then more than 48% of voters voted for someone else. 75% did not choose him as a president.

You have to look at the real numbers to understand what really happened.

This is false. You can't claim everyone who didn't vote is against Trump. With a sample size that big there is no reason to think that if everyone was forced to vote the results would be any different.
Stats 101

 

[cerebus]

This is false. You can't claim everyone who didn't vote is against Trump.

Nobody is claiming that.

With a sample size that big there is no reason to think that if everyone was forced to vote the results would be any different.
Stats 101

I think pro-Trump supporters were far more mobilized than HRC supporters, IOW, vote of abstention is more likely to go in the direction of HRC. However a lack of mobilization on the Democratic side really shows what a weaksauce candidate HRC was.

 

[theratman]

Trump won fair and square. Don't moan about the system, everyone knows how it works. It's the Dems fault that they didn't rally enough support. I don't like the system and think a popular vote should be used but that's just not how they do things.

 

[C4Cat]

Trump won fair and square. Don't moan about the system, everyone knows how it works. It's the Dems fault that they didn't rally enough support. I don't like the system and think a popular vote should be used but that's just not how they do things.

True, but that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans did not vote for him and maybe he is not as popular as he, and his supporters, seem to think he is.

 

[access]

Most of their arsenal is made up of old Soviet stuff.

so kerry didnt say they will stop supplying the moderate terrorists with weapons because of the 12 y.o kidnapped boy beheading..

 

[Unhappy438]

so kerry didnt say they will stop supplying the moderate terrorists with weapons because of the 12 y.o kidnapped boy beheading..

Is that the best strawman and red herring you got ?

 

[rietrot]

Nobody is claiming that.



I think pro-Trump supporters were far more mobilized than HRC supporters, IOW, vote of abstention is more likely to go in the direction of HRC. However a lack of mobilization on the Democratic side really shows what a weaksauce candidate HRC was.

1.Nerfherder was still busy claiming 75% of people didn't choose Trump.

2.Maybe, who knows. I can also say most of the bible belt and traditional conservatives didn't mobilise because of all Trump's scandals.

 

[R13...]

Instead of taking the high ground and replying to the pointless comparisons on the attendance he reacts like a scorned 3 year old. Why not respond by saying I don't care, because my real supporters are the ones hard at work producing for the country. The narcissism is disturbing.

The narcissism is disturbing? This is Trump we are talking about, the man is the very definition of a narcissist. Maybe the office will temper that a bit.

 

[Bosvark@]

Congratulations Mr DJ Trump.

 

[Dave]

He won because of a poor electoral system.

The same electoral system every US President has been elected under since the late 1700's, if it was so bad why hasn't a previous administration changed the system?

More at: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38714446

This seems like monumental straw clutching, hasn't Trump handed control over to other family members?

 

[Sinbad]

The same electoral system every US President has been elected under since the late 1700's, if it was so bad why hasn't a previous administration changed the system?

Because they won?


Perhaps 75% of eligibile americans did not put a cross next to Trump's name, but if that's because they couldn't be arsed, then they need to shut up. Maybe next election they will do their democratic duty.

 

[cerebus]

1.Nerfherder was still busy claiming 75% of people didn't choose Trump.

That's true. Abstention is not choosing, by definition. I think a lot of American are equally miffed that there just wasn't a good candidate, who wasn't either completely establishment, or personally disgusting.

2.Maybe, who knows. I can also say most of the bible belt and traditional conservatives didn't mobilise because of all Trump's scandals.

Well, speculators gonna speculate.

 

[Unhappy438]

This seems like monumental straw clutching, hasn't Trump handed control over to other family members?

Like Zumas son conducting the business dealings? Nope nothing fishy there.