Donald John Trump: The 2nd Greatest President of the USA (by volume)

[RanzB]

2 weeks ago yet still hasn't formally notified the Senate.

Give him a break. Who's going to play all that golf if he has to actually do any work?

 

[Garson007]

Lol. "Classical liberal" doesn't care about the transparency of the government.

Look, I'd love a single-page healthcare bill - but the environment isn't quite right for it. I will be looking at outcomes. If they are **** then I will **** on the GOP for pushing through such a mess.

 

[RanzB]

Look, I'd love a single-page healthcare bill - but the environment isn't quite right for it.

Again, no ****s given about lack of transparency from the government from the self-proclaimed 'classical liberal'.

If they are **** then I will **** on the GOP for pushing through such a mess.

Oh and the sensible thing is to not even care about what's in the bill before the GOP tried to get it voted on??? :crylaugh:

 

[Garson007]

Oh and the sensible thing is to not even care about what's in the bill before the GOP tried to get it voted on??? :crylaugh:

The sensible thing is to not complicate legislation. But again, the environment isn't right for that.

 

[cerebus]

Look, I'd love a single-page healthcare bill - but the environment isn't quite right for it. I will be looking at outcomes. If they are **** then I will **** on the GOP for pushing through such a mess.

It shouldn't matter how long or short the bill is, the point of the argument is TRANSPARENCY. Get it through. We need to see what we're signing. Have you ever signed a contract where you didn't know the contents, on the basis that you would look into the outcomes?

 

[Garson007]

It shouldn't matter how long or short the bill is, the point of the argument is TRANSPARENCY. Get it through. We need to see what we're signing. Have you ever signed a contract where you didn't know the contents, on the basis that you would look into the outcomes?

The GOP senate members who will sign the bill have all been part of the discussion. Their explicit aim is to get to 51 votes (everyone sans Rand Paul) without changing the House bill enough to require to overcome a 60-vote filibuster. The congressmen themselves aren't in the dark dark, the media is.

The media, as we all know, will be incredibly harsh over drops in coverage. Enough so to sway the weaker members of the Senate. This is a political tactic to get the GOP senate to agree to something.

 

[cerebus]

The GOP senate members who will sign the bill have all been part of the discussion. Their explicit aim is to get to 51 votes (everyone sans Rand Paul) without changing the House bill enough to require to overcome a 60-vote filibuster.

Sounds like a cabal to me.

The congressmen themselves aren't in the dark dark, the media is.

The media, the general public, the opposition party. This is the exact opposite of transparency.

 

[Garson007]

Sounds like a cabal to me.

And what exactly is a political party?

 

[cerebus]

And what exactly is a political party?

Stop evading the bloody point. You're trying to make it sound as though, because the writers of the bill know what's in it, that is equal to transparency; in reality, it's exactly the opposite.

 

[RanzB]

The sensible thing is to not complicate legislation. But again, the environment isn't right for that.

The environment isn't right for transparency? Why, because the GOP controls the House and Senate?

Classical liberal my ass. Sounds like you don't even know what that is.

This is a political tactic to get the GOP senate to agree to something.

Lack of transparency is indeed one of the GOP's main political tactics, yes.

And it looks like 'small government' 'classical liberals' like you have no issue with that.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The GOP senate members who will sign the bill have all been part of the discussion. Their explicit aim is to get to 51 votes (everyone sans Rand Paul) without changing the House bill enough to require to overcome a 60-vote filibuster. The congressmen themselves aren't in the dark dark, the media is.

The media, as we all know, will be incredibly harsh over drops in coverage. Enough so to sway the weaker members of the Senate. This is a political tactic to get the GOP senate to agree to something.

So all the GOP senators who say they haven't seen the bill are lying?

 

[Unhappy438]

Classical liberal my ass. Sounds like you don't even know what that is.

Give him a break, hes using great words, the best words.

 

[Garson007]

So all the GOP senators who say they haven't seen the bill are lying?

They haven't seen the bill, because the final bill isn't ready. They've all been allowed to be part of the conversation. Getting their individual requirements met. So that the vote will pass.

You guys have a very weak grip on the differences between ideology and reality. The reality is such (due to Democrat's non-commitment) that the GOP will have to pass a health bill on their own. Letting the bill out will create leverage against the senators, leverage they cannot overcome. It's not about being ideologically sound, it's about getting an agenda done.

The reality is also that most GOP senators are moderates. It's not young and ideological like the house.

And, yes, the final bill will be closer to classical liberalism than Obamacare.

 

[RanzB]

It's not about being ideologically sound, it's about getting an agenda done.

The only true thing you've said.

Still have to lol at a 'classical liberal' being okay with the total lack of transparency.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Ah, conservatism. Poor, old and sick people are "dead weight" who should be killed off.

Ironic that so many of the old are responsible for Trump's rise to power. Perhaps they're secretly suicidal?

The reality is such (due to Democrat's non-commitment) that the GOP will have to pass a health bill on their own.

You honestly have no clue how democracy is supposed to work, do you?

 

[Garson007]

You honestly have no clue how democracy is supposed to work, do you?

*finds inner 'Murican* The US of A is a Republic.

 

[cerebus]

They haven't seen the bill, because the final bill isn't ready. They've all been allowed to be part of the conversation. Getting their individual requirements met. So that the vote will pass.

You guys have a very weak grip on the differences between ideology and reality. The reality is such (due to Democrat's non-commitment) that the GOP will have to pass a health bill on their own. Letting the bill out will create leverage against the senators, leverage they cannot overcome. It's not about being ideologically sound, it's about getting an agenda done.

So why were the democrats willing to open the process to public debate, but the Republicans are immune from that requirement? They faced years of obstructionism before the bill was finally passed, with all kinds of slander against it. Republicans should be in a much stronger position. This is not about some arbitrary bit of minor legislatoin; people's lives and financial futures are literally at stake with this bill. The health of millions of Americans is riding on it.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

'We're Amending Obamacare. We're Not Killing It'

The health-care bill Senate Republicans plan to unveil on Thursday likely will make substantial changes to Medicaid and cut taxes for wealthy Americans and businesses. It will eliminate mandates and relax regulations on insurance plans, and it will reduce the federal government’s role in health care.

What it won’t do, however, is actually repeal the Affordable Care Act.

Lost in the roiling debate over health care over the last several weeks is that Republicans have all but given up on their longstanding repeal-and-replace pledge. The slogan lives on in the rhetoric used by many GOP lawmakers and the Trump White House but not in the legislation the party is advancing. That was true when House Republicans passed the American Health Care Act last month, which rolled back key parts of Obamacare but was not a full repeal. And it is even more true of the bill the Senate has drafted in secret, which reportedly will stick closer to the underlying structure of the law.

“We’re amending Obamacare. We’re not killing it,” a frustrated Jason Pye of the conservative group FreedomWorks told me earlier this month as the murky outlines of the Senate proposal were beginning to emerge.

Like the House bill, the Senate plan is expected to repeal the ACA’s employer and individual insurance mandates and most if not all of the tax increases Democrats levied to pay for new programs and benefits. But the Senate bill likely will only begin a years-long phase-out of the ACA’s Medicaid expansion in 2020 rather than end it as the House measure does.

The Senate also is expected to include more generous tax credits than the House bill that more closely resemble the system already in place under Obamacare. But the funding levels would still be lower than the current law. And according to Axios, the bill would allow states to opt out of some ACA insurance regulations, but it would do so by loosening existing waivers within the current law rather than follow the House in creating a new waiver system. And the Senate proposal would require that states adhere to more of Obamacare’s regulations than the House bill.

Senate Majority Leader McConnell has quietly abandoned the language of “repeal-and-replace” that his office originated seven years in the immediate aftermath of the ACA’s enactment. In more than a dozen speeches on health care that McConnell has delivered on the Senate floor since the House passed its bill in early May, he hasn’t uttered the word “repeal” a single time, according to transcripts provided by the majority leader’s office. Nor has he repeated his own pledge to rip out Obamacare “root and branch.” “We’re going to make every effort to pass a bill that dramatically changes the current health care law,” McConnell told reporters on Tuesday, setting a new standard for the bill Republicans plan to release on Thursday.

 

[RanzB]

[Senate Majority Leader McConnell has quietly abandoned the language of “repeal-and-replace” that his office originated seven years in the immediate aftermath of the ACA’s enactment. In more than a dozen speeches on health care that McConnell has delivered on the Senate floor since the House passed its bill in early May, he hasn’t uttered the word “repeal” a single time, according to transcripts provided by the majority leader’s office. Nor has he repeated his own pledge to rip out Obamacare “root and branch.” “We’re going to make every effort to pass a bill that dramatically changes the current health care law,” McConnell told reporters on Tuesday, setting a new standard for the bill Republicans plan to release on Thursday.

Pussy

 

[Garson007]

The GOP senate has no backbone. Just imagine the bloodbath if they got the media involved.