Drivers vote for traffic jams over bus or train

Ecco

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Drivers vote for traffic jams over bus or train

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5104163

More than half of Britain's drivers would rather take a chance on being stuck in a traffic jam than use public transport – and opposition to "tolling" UK roads has hardened in the past eight years.

These are the key findings of "The Congestion Challenge", a report by the RAC Foundation on car use and congestion. It shows that Britons seem to have resigned themselves to a congested, slow moving future. They remain unconvinced about alternatives to their cars and are generally unsupportive of ways to reduce congestion – especially if they have to pay for them.

The survey found:


* 53 percent of drivers would rather risk being stuck in a traffic jam than use public transport.

* 41 percent of drivers consider congestion a serious problem, way down from the 63 percent of 1999.

* 61 percent of drivers think congestion will worsen over the next five years.

* 44 percent of drivers oppose any form of congestion charge even if the money is spent on improving local transport - compared to 32 percent in 2001.


Only three out of ten UK drivers think it likely they will use public transport in the next year and most believe the performance of bus and train services will stay constant or worsen.

RESIGNED TO IT

This begs the question of who will use the Bus Rapid Transport system being installed in South African cities. If the only passengers are people who don't have cars it won't reduce congestion at all.

RAC Foundation director Stephen Glaister said: "People have come to regard congestion as less of an issue although it's actually getting worse so the depressing reality is that British drivers have become resigned to it.

"They're also extremely pessimistic about tomorrow's transport system, which is an indictment of the politicians who have repeatedly failed to tackle it in a meaningful way.

"Radical approaches to easing congestion will be difficult for politicians to sell to a sceptical population. But doing nothing is not an option and some sort of national scheme might be necessary.

UNPALATABLE TRUTH

"However almost three quarters of divers support the widening of freeways and 65 percent support variable speed limits on motorways to keep traffic flowing smoothly.

"It might be an unpalatable truth for some but cars are the true public transport - they transport most of the people most of the time. The challenge is to make vehicles smaller, lighter and more fuel efficient, not eradicate them."

Co-author of the report Ben Marshall said: "There is scepticism about alternatives to the car and a very strong sense that things will only get worse. More than four in five of those drivers who say they are personally affected by congestion say they couldn't adjust to life without their car. And 53 percent of drivers would rather be stuck in a traffic jam than have to use public transport.

"We have found a declining sense among the public that congestion is a problem, plus growing public distaste for flagship policy solutions such as congestion charging."

This article is mostly about the UK, but who here in SA would prefer traffic jams over busses or trains?

I know i would.

Travelling on a bus going to school, and now recently in the UK on the tubes etc. I cant deal with the buses and trains. They are mostly dirty, you have to stand often, and there are a lot of crackpots on busses and trains. When it rains its even worse, they all messy and stuffy.

Traffic jam for me. Dont wanna even think of using the Gautrain or BRT.
 

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The biggest upside for being taken to work, is that you've got about an hour in the morning and evening during which you can do other things.

Browsing this forum? You can do that on a laptop while sitting in a bus.

And it's cheaper as well.

I don't mind being on the bus as much, but I hated waiting for the bus.
 

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Would depend how much time you save in the morning an evening. I am not convinced its that much.

Not using a car, you have to somehow still get to the bus/train station. Busses are slow, and despite dedicated lanes, traffic still gonna get you.
 

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What I can't understand is that we had good public service.
When I was a kid I used to catch the bus to / from school, from age 10, and it worked well. The frequency of the bus's also changed to cater for peak times.
What happened to the bus service?
Even the trains were great. They even had a special compartment in which we could place our surfboards!
No asking parents for lifts! want to go somewhere? we simply used public transport!
Why can't they be brought back and be clean and safe? Or is this what politics and the do-gooders have managed to achieve. So much for progress!
 

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I think the problem here would be getting to and from the regular bus stops/train stops from home/car park. Walking from the stop to your car/home at night would be a security risk. Unfortunately I cannot predict less traffic congestion in the future.
 

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Motorbikes are the answer! :D :p

If every car travelling during peak traffic hours carrying only one or two people was instead replaced with a motorcycle or a scooter it would make a huge difference.. ;)
What governments ought to do is create tax incentives for driving motorcycles.. (i.e., on toll road and fuel tax) .. fat chance of that though.. :rolleyes:

But I don't really care.. I almost never travel during peak traffic hours anyhow (well not through town). :p
 

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Motorbikes are the answer!
I was driving from OT a/port on the N3 recently and ended up in severely backed up traffic caused by a motorcyclist who had come off his bike.
 

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I was driving from OT a/port on the N3 recently and ended up in severely backed up traffic caused by a motorcyclist who had come off his bike.

Accidents happen with cars and bikes alike.

I often sit in traffic because of broken down vehicles. A broken down motorbike would be easy to move out of traffic.

Either smaller cars or motorcycles really is the answer if people insist on personal transport. Having a four seater just to carry one person is NOT practical.
 

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I will never use buses or trains again .....ever.... they are always messy or delayed have you ever seen a Spoornet/metro train arive on time, I havent.

not to mention buss stations are crowded and you have to keep a watchful eye out 90% of the time for someone who wants to pickpocket you.
 

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Public transport that will take 2 hours to get me to work or 45min driving... I know which one wins.
 

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Accidents happen with cars and bikes alike.

I often sit in traffic because of broken down vehicles. A broken down motorbike would be easy to move out of traffic.

Either smaller cars or motorcycles really is the answer if people insist on personal transport. Having a four seater just to carry one person is NOT practical.

Bikes are not the answer if they have to share the roads with cars, trucks and buses.
 

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One of my wifes clients uses the new Strand express train to Cape Town each day. He loves it and does not ride his car anymore.

He gets free tea/coffee, newspaper, allocated seat and its safe a clean. His care gets secure parking too. He pays less than R1K a month in all. He even forgot his jacket on the train one morning only to find it neatly hanging on his chair the evening. Also quicker to go by train than car and his train has never been late.

Now when I travelled from Somerset West to Plumstead for 3 mths a while back and I had none of this. Late trains, not tea or coffee and dirty as hell.

Guess its all relative.
 

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I traveled to Capetown from PTA station once, after 5 hours we finally reached Johannesburg.
 

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I can't see the value in public transport. Here or overseas. I've used it here and in other countries only when it was absolutely necessary. It is always inconvenient and invariably takes longer than using a car.

What I can't understand is that we had good public service.
When I was a kid I used to catch the bus to / from school, from age 10, and it worked well. The frequency of the bus's also changed to cater for peak times.
What happened to the bus service?
Even the trains were great. They even had a special compartment in which we could place our surfboards!
No asking parents for lifts! want to go somewhere? we simply used public transport!
Why can't they be brought back and be clean and safe? Or is this what politics and the do-gooders have managed to achieve. So much for progress!
Not much has changed. It certainly wasn't clean. No bus or train I ever went on could have been called clean. How unsafe is it to travel by bus or train today?
 

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I was driving from OT a/port on the N3 recently and ended up in severely backed up traffic caused by a motorcyclist who had come off his bike.
Fair enough ;)
Although I'll point out that I've never personally experienced a (severe) traffic jam due to a crashed bike .. I can't say the same for cars .. :p

Regardless of the cause however, if you were on a bike you could most likely have scooted right past with minor to no inconvenience. ;)
 

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I prefer taxis/bus/trains than traffic, atleast with a taxi I know that the taxi driver will disobay road rules and get me to work on time. I can't say the same thing for buses. I use taxis to travel to and from work and despite long lines before boarding a taxi, I think taxis are a great way to travel.
 
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