Drugs,Weed & Hard drugs

[AstroTurf]

it wont go away no matter what you do

So why the 90 year war, the rehabs with under 3% success and the lack of rethinking this pointless stupidity?

 

[syntax]

academic .... seldom used in practice. You have to be a very very very heavy alki to fall in this boat. I suppose it would also depend on the state of the liver.

Also know that ethanol is an endogenous compound in the body... and disulfram is a horrible thing lol

so now you saying alcohol is addictive, but you just need to be very dependent on it (aka heavy alki)?

 

[Hosehead]

Secondly people want to do it and if there is demand there will always be supply it wont go away no matter what you do

Ah Fcck all the rehabs. Money down the drain. Treating these people must be a thankless job as they live in perpetual denial - completely oblivious to the carnage around them and their familiies. It'll end for such folk in Suicide or insanity if pancretitis doesn't get them first... followed by full blown liver failure. These are typical sad digs of raving alcoholics View attachment 49772 before they rushed them off to hospital where they took up valuable bed space and much needed nursing care. If they don't die- they get back on the merry go round .
Sick Freaks.

 

[Hosehead]

So why the 90 year war, the rehabs with under 3% success and the lack of rethinking this pointless stupidity?

Because it all boils down to money. Everyone is getting a slice of the rehab pie.- except in exceptional circumstances, the patient.(in the form of recovery)
The clinics are little less than criminal enterprises in cahoots with the medical aids or in the cahoots with ripping them off and this spawns a vast feeder belt of patients to a select group of psychiatrists, Psychologists, counselors with dubious qualifications.
It's a messy state of Affairs, with the desire to help far overshadowed by the need for money in the bank accounts.

 

[AstroTurf]

Because it all boils down to money. Everyone is getting a slice of the rehab pie.- except in exceptional circumstances, the patient.(in the form of recovery)
The clinics are little less than criminal enterprises in cahoots with the medical aids or in the cahoots with ripping them off and this spawns a vast feeder belt of patients to a select group of psychiatrists, Psychologists, counselors with dubious qualifications.
It's a messy state of Affairs, with the desire to help far overshadowed by the need for money in the bank accounts.

Glad I am not the only one that sees this farce for what it is.

 

[ChocolateBadger]

Weed is chilled beans

 

[guest2013-1]

Ugh, I want to smoke some weed to chill the **** out. All these "dealers" I've heard of in the Kempton/Edenvale area are a bunch of tossers who never comes through for you. How the **** do you run a business if you get told "I'll get to it when I'm good and ready"???

 

[copacetic]

so now you saying alcohol is addictive, but you just need to be very dependent on it (aka heavy alki)?

It's like arguing with an oiled pigeon.

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Regarding rehabs, I would just like to say that I agree with much of what is being said, but I would like to point out that I attended one of the few facilities in the country that do not use the 12 step program as part of their gig.

Which is a huge plus, and the reason they have one of the highest success rates in South Africa (even if it is low).

As for the qualifications and intentions of the people involved, they were very good.

Did I need to go? Probably not, but it was fascinating, and I learned not to ever use meth after meeting a couple of serious addicts.

 

[Unhappy438]

alcohol isnt addictive itself, but people enjoy the effects of excessive alcohol and they get addicted to that. So in a sense its a behavioral addiction not a physical one. Something many people that are "for" drugs cant understand. Alcohol is as addictive as cannabis

Utter garbage

 

[rubytox]

alcohol isnt addictive itself, but people enjoy the effects of excessive alcohol and they get addicted to that. So in a sense its a behavioral addiction not a physical one. Something many people that are "for" drugs cant understand. Alcohol is as addictive as cannabis

Heh? ? ?

 

[zippy]

Alcohol addiction differs from one person to the next. I have a glass of wine once or twice a week. On the weekend I usually have a beer at the pub with my lunch. Once a month, I might rat-faced with some blokes from work. Then I dont have a drink for weeks. I wouldnt say I am addicted. But we all know someone who has serious problems with alcohol addiction.

The same can be said for other drugs. Level of addiction varies from one person to the next.
But some of the harder drugs make it more likely that those who not get addicted to alcohol, will get addicted to those drugs.

Alcholol is NOT as addictive as these other drugs, but its more likely that someone will get addicted to alcohol, because its legal, more accessible and more socially acceptable.

 

[AstroTurf]

It's like arguing with an oiled pigeon.

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Regarding rehabs, I would just like to say that I agree with much of what is being said, but I would like to point out that I attended one of the few facilities in the country that do not use the 12 step program as part of their gig.

Which is a huge plus, and the reason they have one of the highest success rates in South Africa (even if it is low).

As for the qualifications and intentions of the people involved, they were very good.

Did I need to go? Probably not, but it was fascinating, and I learned not to ever use meth after meeting a couple of serious addicts.

lol, I learned plenty in my past rehab experiences.
How to do heroin, how to break into a house quietly, how to break into a car quietly and lots of other "fascinating" things about drugs (from chemists as well as illegal).

 

[RiaX]

So why the 90 year war, the rehabs with under 3% success and the lack of rethinking this pointless stupidity?

Well... this is a hard question to answer TBH. First you have to recognise that addiction is a proper disease. Secondly just like how you get diabetics that dont like taking their meds and stuff these people like taking their "meds" too much so obviously they not going to be easy to treat.

Its like suddendly trying to stop using your right hand (if you right handed) to write and suddendly using your left hand. Its very hard to explain

so now you saying alcohol is addictive, but you just need to be very dependent on it (aka heavy alki)?

yes. Not everything is black and white. Addiction can be the brain adapting to the effects and liking it (in simple terms). I drink alcohol socially, I havent had a fit I dont need to drink. Though if I drank like a bottle a day and drink hard alcohol all the time if i suddendly stop there might be some problems.

It takes constant use of a substance for it to become addictive. Very few things can make you addicted with a single use and those that can are ALL banned.

 

[DerpiesFreud]

Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about and you just sound like a fear mongering judgmental ******.

In which part?
Judgmental how?

lol, I learned plenty in my past rehab experiences.
How to do heroin, how to break into a house quietly, how to break into a car quietly and lots of other "fascinating" things about drugs (from chemists as well as illegal).

This is exactly what I`m talking about.
I`m more troubled by the degree of what they would do for their next fix.
or the possibility of getting sucked in with them.

Hard users of drugs or users of hard drugs? But then what does hard even mean?

heavy users of hard drugs
hard is a vague term but to me its coke,heroin,meth etc
The kind of stuff that really screws you up.

Another thought is love,I loved a person once,I would happily follow them into the depths of hell,I`d kill,steal,harm... whatever it took.
What if I loved a drug addict? I`d feed their habit and probably join them too
What if the people who love me,love a drug addict(me)?
The drugs themselves isn`t what bothers me,its the baggage that usually comes along that troubles me

 

[RiaX]

its the human element. It is weak for that surge of dopamine

 

[mic_y]

Guy I know was trippin' then he tried to fly and jumped off a 2 story balcony and broke his leg.

In the words of Bill Hicks, your friend is just a retard and that was natural selection at its best... why did he not try to fly from the ground floor?

 

[AstroTurf]

In the words of Bill Hicks, your friend is just a retard and that was natural selection at its best... why did he not try to fly from the ground floor?

Me and a bunch of other people once climbed the inside of a stadium light at DNA (ladder that goes up the inside of the pipe) while tripping balls on acid.
It freaked the living hell out of me standing on expanded metal about 3 stories off the ground level yet nobody tired to jump, nobody went nutters, we had some fun, smoked a joint, chilled for a bit and climbed down again.

 

[RiaX]

Me and a bunch of other people once climbed the inside of a stadium light at DNA (ladder that goes up the inside of the pipe) while tripping balls on acid.
It freaked the living hell out of me standing on expanded metal about 3 stories off the ground level yet nobody tired to jump, nobody went nutters, we had some fun, smoked a joint, chilled for a bit and climbed down again.

mustve been an epic view

 

[SauRoNZA]

Personally I feel alcohol is a lot more evil than weed will ever be.

Maybe it has everyone to do with it's general social acceptance and the same will happen if weed were legalised, but I can't help but feel alcohol has done more damage and broken more homes than any other substance out there.

 

[AstroTurf]

mustve been an epic view

epic everything that night

Still remember it quite clearly due to the endorphin/adrenaline rush.