Drugs,Weed & Hard drugs

RiaX

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Personally I feel alcohol is a lot more evil than weed will ever be.

Maybe it has everyone to do with it's general social acceptance and the same will happen if weed were legalised, but I can't help but feel alcohol has done more damage and broken more homes than any other substance out there.

well thats due to volume of usage. Im pretty sure other than a higher food expense and about the same harm as tobacco smoking cannabis wouldnt be much of a problem, anything higher though would be.

epic everything that night

Still remember it quite clearly due to the endorphin/adrenaline rush.

naaaice ... i like epic views just look and take it all in
 

AstroTurf

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about the same harm as tobacco smoking cannabis wouldnt be much of a problem, anything higher though would be.


Where do you get that?
Tobacco kills 5million a year
Cannabis has not killed anyone, ever.
 

AstroTurf

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really ? you do know not a single person has died from HIV directly ? are you going to say HIV is not dangerous as well ? you need to understand that people twist words to suit their agendas.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-Treatment?p=10122343&viewfull=1#post10122343

I will have to find you the article/review but in a nutshell the FDA basically did there utmost to overdose a bunch of monkeys on a daily basis for several years to reach the conclusion that cannabis causes cancer.
The same experiment was redone by the Spanish a few years back, only they gave the monkeys "normal" heavy user doses (instead of hotboxing them for 6 hours a day for a total of 6 months) with totally different results.
 

lestoran

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I honestly think that something else in this world will likely kill you before weed.

If weed actually killed alot of people I know would be dead. Some of them spent 5 years of there life completely and utterly stoned 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Most of them got tired of it and are now successful professionals. Some still enjoy the occasional toke - some don't. None have any health or mental issues.

Now spend 5 years drunk and see whats left of your health and brain after that.
 

guest2013-1

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Saw a comedy show on Netflix the other day that I quite agree with. Legalize all drugs, ALL drugs. If you want to kill yourself on drugs, you can, who cares, it affects you as the person using. At least it'd weed out some folk.

Did you know suicide is illegal? Like making it illegal deters people from doing that.... "oh no I might go to jail!"
 

AstroTurf

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Some auzzie comedian put it best.

The war on drugs is over, the drugs won.
 

AstroTurf

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really ? you do know not a single person has died from HIV directly ? are you going to say HIV is not dangerous as well ? you need to understand that people twist words to suit their agendas.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-Treatment?p=10122343&viewfull=1#post10122343

This just in:

Abstract Number: 3633
Presentation Title: Cannabis smoking and lung cancer risk: pooled analysis in the International Lung Cancer Consortium
Presentation Time: Tuesday, Apr 09, 2013, 1:00 PM - 5:00 PM
Location: Hall A-C, Poster Section 8
Poster Board Number: 25
Author Block: Li Rita Zhang1, Zuo-Feng Zhang2, Hal Morgenstern3, Shen-Chih Chang2, Philip Lazarus4, M. Dawn Teare5, Penella J. Woll5, Irene Orlow6, Brian Cox7, Geoffrey Liu8, Rayjean J. Hung1. 1Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute, Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto, ON, Canada; 2University of California, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA; 3University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI; 4Penn State College of Medicine, PA; 5University of Sheffield, United Kingdom; 6Memorial Slone-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, NY; 7Hugh Adam Cancer Epidemiology Unit, Dunedin School of Medicine, Univeristy of Otago, on behalf of the Cannabis and Respiratory Disease Research Group of New Zealand, New Zealand; 8Ontario Cancer Institute/Princess Margaret Hospital, Toronto, ON, Canada
Abstract Body: Background
Lung cancer remains the leading cause of cancer death worldwide, with tobacco smoking established as the main risk factor. Cannabis smoke contains similar carcinogens as tobacco smoke including the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons; animal studies and human case series and histopathologic studies have suggested its potential carcinogenic effect in lungs. However, epidemiologic evidence is limited and conflicting. The present study aimed to examine the role of cannabis smoking in lung cancer risk using a pooled analysis in the International Lung Cancer Consortium (ILCCO).
Methods
Cannabis smoking and putative lung cancer risk factor data on 2131 lung cancer cases and 3075 controls were harmonized and pooled from six case-control studies in US, Canada, UK and New Zealand within the ILCCO. To standardize the definition and to distinguish occasional/non-users from habitual users, cumulative consumption of 1 joint-year (1 joint-equivalent per day for 1 year) or more was used to define habitual vs. non-users. The association between cannabis smoking (habitual vs. non-users, joint-equivalent per day, duration, and total joint-years) and the risk of lung cancer was assessed by odds ratios (OR) and 95% confidence intervals (CI) obtained from unconditional logistic regression in each study, while adjusting for age, sex, sociodemographic factors and tobacco packyears. Pooled risk estimates were calculated using random effect models. To minimize confounding by tobacco smoking, we also conducted analyses restricted to 367 case and 1400 control never tobacco smokers.
Results
The summary OR from the six studies for habitual vs. non-users was 1.15 (95% CI: 0.73-1.82, p for heterogeneity: 0.05). Compared to non-users, the summary OR was 1.28 (95%CI: 0.62-2.63) for individuals who smoked cannabis for 20 years or more and 1.53 (95%CI: 0.57-4.09) for those with 10 joint-years or more cumulative consumption. A lack of significant association between cannabis smoking and lung cancer was also observed in the never tobacco smokers: compared to non-users, the OR was 0.99 (95% CI: 0.49-2.00) for habitual users and 2.13 (95%CI: 0.67-6.78) for those who used 20 years or more.
Conclusion
Our pooled results showed no significant association between the intensity, duration, or cumulative consumption of cannabis smoke and the risk of lung cancer overall or in never smokers. Cannabis use is under international control and its legal status varies, so reporting bias is of concern. However, since the reported prevalence in our data is comparable to nation-specific survey results and not differential between cases and controls, it is unlikely to fully explain the lack of significant association. Our results cannot preclude the possibility that cannabis may exhibit an association with lung cancer risk at extremely high dosage. We will also present data after applying restricted cubic splines to explore non-linear relationships.

http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan...3fb&mKey=9b2d28e7-24a0-466f-a3c9-07c21f6e9bc9

An article on the above
http://www.oncologypractice.com/onc...-cancer/73840afd2cca226b9e6a9ddc7cb0d039.html

Regular cannabis smokers are no more likely to develop lung cancer than are people who indulge occasionally.

The finding of no significant increased risk held true whether the smokers imbibed once or twice – or more – each day, and regardless of how many years they had smoked, Dr. Li Rita Zhang reported at the annual meeting of the American Association of Cancer Research.
 

RiaX

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lol ya so ? that doesnt change the fact that the act of smoking anything is carcinogenic ... you forget the paper ?

anyways you are probably going to get killed by something else other than weed. Though people are stupid they dont know how to do moderation.
 

DerpiesFreud

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lol ya so ? that doesnt change the fact that the act of smoking anything is carcinogenic ... you forget the paper ?

anyways you are probably going to get killed by something else other than weed. Though people are stupid they dont know how to do moderation.
Hmm Isn`t just being alive carcinogenic in a sense? :p
Being dead reduces your chances of dying of cancer by 100%

So smoking weed is similar to smoking tobacco?
except for high and opiods and all that biological stuff.

personally smoking weed attaches the label of "stoner"
aka delinquent minus the criminal elements...
not something I`d like to associate with.

smoking grade weed made from a is a leaf right?
Can`t we have weed salads? :D

moderation is key
 

RiaX

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Well yeah carcingogens are a pain. The problem is when the THC begins to hijack your pleasure centers in the brain (exactly the same way nicotine/alcohol/heroin/cocaine/coffee) does. It effects people differently. If you have low dopamine for example your brain will make you seek out substances that release that dopamine, such as nicotine (for interest sake there are genes linked to this)
 

tsume

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Is it me or has anyone noticed over the past year how Molly seems to become the new popular drug. So many rap lyrics referencing it now.
 

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:confused: where do these names come from lol .... learn something new everyday. Hahaha Im feeling the age now

I havent heard molly used in SA much. In UK and europe its quite commonly used.
I agree though, hard to keep up with the names. The core slang names though seem to have stuck throughout the years
 

killadoob

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Is it me or has anyone noticed over the past year how Molly seems to become the new popular drug. So many rap lyrics referencing it now.

Those rappers are suffering though. Pushing drugs in their music isnt going down well.
 

noxibox

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If you have low dopamine for example your brain will make you seek out [-]substances[/-] activities that release that dopamine
Fixed up.

So smoking weed is similar to smoking tobacco?
except for high and opiods and all that biological stuff.
No, not really.

personally smoking weed attaches the label of "stoner"
aka delinquent minus the criminal elements...
The anti-drug crowd need to attach pejorative terms to advance their agenda. If they had to rely on facts their anti-drug campaigns wouldn't be much of an anti-drug campaign.
 
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